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Old 21st October 2014, 12:39   #916
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What the Duster gives us is a care free ownership and go anywhere aura while the VW DSG makes you witness technical sophistication, both tugs special strings and wish someone could help us rob a bank to pick 'em up.
You need pretty much every thing !

- Duster 110 and Vento solves most of it. (Do you need AWD version remains to be seen)
- So from a space point of view, I think both Vento and Duster work for you
- Now you decide between GC and AT (if you care).
- So depending on the two, its Duster 110 vs Vento DSG as per me
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Old 21st October 2014, 17:11   #917
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Actually, the fact is that Dad doesn't want to spend 10 lakhs or more for our first car. I was looking at the Alto K10 also, but was drew away because it does not have safety features. Was thinking about the Brio, Classic, and the Swift.
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Go for a used car, buy a Mitsubishi Cedia. Forget the Civic, this was the drivers car of its time. Tractable motor (civic lacked this), brilliant dynamics (civic did not come as close), stability at high speeds (civic lacked this too) and go anywhere ability from a sedan (no car comes as close). Sourcing parts will be a pain but if your up for it, nothing like it
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Old 21st October 2014, 22:54   #919
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As I live in Burdwan, the Cedia, a not so popular car in here, is very hard to find. What about the cars I mentioned about, they are quite good family cars and are fun-to-drive as well. I still think that the Ford Classic is a great deal.
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Old 22nd October 2014, 00:23   #920
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Thanks to everyone in the past two pages for their inputs.

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I say go for Duster. There are very few roads (or tracks) you would drive on that require 4x4 low ratio, unless you are traveling regularly on mud/snow and jungle trails a normal 4x4 suffices.
Slush/Snow/Trails are a relatively new environment which we want to experience, of course without damaging any mechanicals, from the little we know about 4x4 it can be a expensive hobby.

The reason we warm up to the Duster is to cover distances in comfort and go that extra mile beyond paved roads, currently we walk after parking our cars, I sweated it out in 4x4 habitat once, when I beached my friends Qualis in slush and we had to resort to prayers, brain storming and struggle to dislodge the 2 tonne beast, since then 4x4 has been a 'magic term'.

Hence Duster will be of little interest unless 4x4 to cover the road less explored, for regular road use we are not fancying GC much as we normally slow down whenever the road surface is patchy to avoid aggravating panel vibrations.

For the kind of 4x4 usage I foresee, Duster 4x4 will do justice as we wont really indulge in rock climbing or stream crossings, as mentioned earlier any hobby which can damage a 15L product is not something we currently find fun in.
We can pick a simpler 4x4 for hard core off-roading.

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... The problem with Thar is the soft top - no safety for your things and the rear seats, apart from indifferent interiors. Further the Duster has better FE.
Thar is definitely not in contention, we need comfort to cover the distance to get to the spot before venturing off road, the decision is between Duster and Vento/Polo DSG.
What I meant is Thar being a commonly visible ambassador of the 4x4 badge, stops us from going the 'car' way again, each time we see a Thar on Goan roads.

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- (Do you need AWD version remains to be seen)
- Now you decide between GC and AT (if you care).
- So depending on the two, its Duster 110 vs Vento DSG as per me
As mentioned earlier the Duster is in picture only for its ride and 4x4 advantage, we've always wanted a comfortable go anywhere tourer and currently only the Duster fits this idea and budget, Safari 4x4 is the other distant alternative, maybe pre-owned in case we pick a DSG.
Every time we limit our journeys to roads and walk the remaining trail, wish for a 4x4. We don't want to get our current road cars stuck someplace remote.

Since we aren't really sure how much we will utilize 4x4 capabilities, I am tilting towards Polo DSG as it will aid everyday driving and will be a comfortable tourer of sorts (on roads).

Other pluses are Polo has better safety ratings, is a looker, better plastics, is 3/5th the Duster 4x4 price, more over Polo is the current WRC (favorite sport) champion and though there are lot many mechanical differences between the one in WRC and our roads, the idea excites us.

On a separate note, since DSG is the factor playing havoc on our minds, will it make sense to pick a Laura Tdi with DQ250 in the same price of Polo. With Laura we have multi-link comfort and bonus power.

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Overdrive compares the Honda City diesel v/s Maruti Suzuki Ciaz diesel v/s Hyundai Verna Diesel.

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Old 9th November 2014, 19:52   #922
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Hello fellow motorists
My first post on TBHP begins with a request for advice. Not sure if its the right way to begin here, but the enlightened are requested to contribute.

My decade old Alto, with near 6 digits on the ODO has been conveying its decision to end duties soon. The car has been a through hell (26/07), a few minor accidents & some ruthless driving, yet shined through it all. Maintenance has costs have been ridiculously low too. But these days the distances run has been steadily heading north & add to it the age, you have an exhausted set of wheels.

- What I'm looking for is a sedan costing between Rs. 10 & 12 lakhs.
- Daily running will be around 80 kms within Mumbai island itself.
- Atleast 2 monthly outstation travels, mostly to Pune-Nashik-Nagar, Konkan & South Gujarat.
- Built up confidence could result in 4 digit single way trips too.
- A driver is planned to be employed (mainly to allow me to work while on transit), though weekends would be self driven days.
- Family is 4 adults + 1 kid & another on the way (2 adults not likely to join often for long travels)
- Purchase is planned in the next 7-10 days.

There are two Skodas in the company (A Yeti & a Rapid Elegance). We've driven them extensively in the past 3 years. I'm sold out on the Skoda Rapid for its superlative handling & performance. But Skoda a.s.s. stories scare me.

DSG version is beyond budget & no discounts, besides probably a free keychain, are being offered on it.

Missed a really good deal on the outphased 1.6 TDI by a day (or maybe the dealership played games)

Vento comes close, but personally I find the design boring. Also, I see more Ventos with dents than other cars of its class. Not sure if its a result of the enthusiasm it generates in the driver or if the sheet metal gauge is to blame.

Can the experts & the experienced suggest if the Rapid (Elegance) would prove itself worthy of my requirements?

- Which other option/s should be thought of?
- Kindly do highlight the merits of these options.
- Will the service costs commensurate the distances to be covered?
- Should I consider a used car? (family says 'no' though)
- Other key points to be kept in mind.

Your collective wisdom should make my decision taking easy & quick.

Please do contribute.

Thanks.
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Old 9th November 2014, 23:17   #923
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Hello fellow motorists
My first post on TBHP begins with a request for advice. Not sure if its the right way to begin here, but the enlightened are requested to contribute.

My decade old Alto, with near 6 digits on the ODO has been conveying its decision to end duties soon. The car has been a through hell (26/07), a few minor accidents & some ruthless driving, yet shined through it all. Maintenance has costs have been ridiculously low too. But these days the distances run has been steadily heading north & add to it the age, you have an exhausted set of wheels.

- What I'm looking for is a sedan costing between Rs. 10 & 12 lakhs.
- Daily running will be around 80 kms within Mumbai island itself.
- Atleast 2 monthly outstation travels, mostly to Pune-Nashik-Nagar, Konkan & South Gujarat.
- Built up confidence could result in 4 digit single way trips too.
- A driver is planned to be employed (mainly to allow me to work while on transit), though weekends would be self driven days.
- Family is 4 adults + 1 kid & another on the way (2 adults not likely to join often for long travels)
- Purchase is planned in the next 7-10 days.

There are two Skodas in the company (A Yeti & a Rapid Elegance). We've driven them extensively in the past 3 years. I'm sold out on the Skoda Rapid for its superlative handling & performance. But Skoda a.s.s. stories scare me.

DSG version is beyond budget & no discounts, besides probably a free keychain, are being offered on it.

Missed a really good deal on the outphased 1.6 TDI by a day (or maybe the dealership played games)

Vento comes close, but personally I find the design boring. Also, I see more Ventos with dents than other cars of its class. Not sure if its a result of the enthusiasm it generates in the driver or if the sheet metal gauge is to blame.

Can the experts & the experienced suggest if the Rapid (Elegance) would prove itself worthy of my requirements?

- Which other option/s should be thought of?
- Kindly do highlight the merits of these options.
- Will the service costs commensurate the distances to be covered?
- Should I consider a used car? (family says 'no' though)
- Other key points to be kept in mind.

Your collective wisdom should make my decision taking easy & quick.

Please do contribute.

Thanks.
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Old 9th November 2014, 23:46   #924
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Considering you are upgrading from a hassle free hatchback and spending 12lakh bucks , it's best to stay away from second hand cars and go for a new one.
Since you will be travelling 80 kms daily in Mumbai traffic daily , diesel automatic should be the preferred choice.
Four cars fit the bill.
1.Tata Zest F Tronic
2.Hyundai Verna Automatic
3.Skoda Rapid TDI DSG
4.Volkswagen Vento TDI DSG

1.Tata Zest AMT won't be much of an upgrade thanks to the step brotherly treatment Tata has given to the XMA as compared to the XT variant.Plus AMT is not as smooth as a conventional automatic.
2.Hyundai Verna.Points in favourite are Hyundai badge, better aftersales as compared to European brands,Reliable engine and transmission combo.
Point against are: The 4 speed automatic is easily the oldest of the lot.One has to change one's driving style according to the tranny.Even in this day and age when manufacturers are giving 6 speed manual gearboxes Hyundai India is doing away a four speed automatic.

3.&4.Skoda Rapid and Volkswagen Vento:
Both cars share the same engine and transmission.
Points in favor:
1.Well built Sedans
2.Since both have received minor facelift expect no change for at least couple of years.
3.TDI and DSG combination is a difficult one to beat.
4.Seamless gearshifts coupled with marginally better fuel consumption than the manual counterparts.
5.If you go with extended warranty then you can drive with total peace of mind for at least 4 years or 1 lakh kms.
Points against:
1.After sales is no Maruti.
Volkswagen and Skoda have still a long way to go before they can even try to match the customer care services of Maruti.
2.DSG woes.The Seven speed gearbox is notorious for failures.
Though the change to mineral gear oil has supposedly stopped the failures ,still you never know..

I was in the same boat as you are ,hence the detailed post. :-)

P.S.
Just read this post http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post3575553 (Brand new Skoda Octavia: Curtain Airbags deploy without impact / accident!)

Scratch Skoda from the list.

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Thanks Ishlinea.

But you just broke my little heart, which was Prague bound.

Auto-Trans was in my mind to, but the on road Rapid DSG is around 13.6 L, which is beyond budget. The 12L limit itself a stretched one. The DSG woes worry me too. Skoda shield covers it for 4 years, but I'm not the one who'd sell a car in just 4 years, unless it troubled me too much. Having tried the Laura DSG, I can imagine the heavenly pleasure of using single foot driving, especially in Mumbai traffic. But I guess I can live with manual.

A major reason for the mental DSG rejection is that I got a deal of 9.85L on the out-phased 1.6 TDI Amb+, (which I missed to confirm by a day). The obvious gap of almost 4L could have taken care of fuel bills for the next 4 years. The figure has stuck since.

Verna looks cool (slightly overdone curves) & plush. But considering frequent highway drives, the inherent nature of the Verna has put me off. I drove one & came back unimpressed. The front & rear halves don't seem to have co-ordination, especially during braking. Otherwise, the ride quality is quite nice.

As you see, ride quality, handling & dynamics are priorities for me, than in cabin luxuries are.

Presuming an Auto-Trans could be lived without, which other options should I consider to break my Czech bubble?

Thanks again :-)
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As you see, ride quality, handling & dynamics are priorities for me, than in cabin luxuries are.
Do consider cars from the FIAT stable. The Diesel Linea comes with a very mature ride though the engine feels a little underpowered. Test drive it to see how you feel.

Any specific reason you want to go for only a sedan? Why don't you also consider the mini-SUV? Seeing you will require seating for 4+2, the Duster, Terrano among others.
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Hi Dessertonwheels

I see you have not put Honday City in your probable list. Is it deliberate?

We have a city in our family and being extensively used for the past two years and there has been no instance where it has given a reason to complain.

My brother is using it and the only point that he complains is the low seating (and my bro is huge) but I guess its with most sedans. I would suggest you to take a look if you want a niggle free vehicle with a proven track record.
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Why not Ciaz? Its a new product from MSIL, although the rear look we already have on road in the form of Honda City(4th Gen).

- Maruti's Trust
- Proven 1.3 L Diesel powered engine (although under-powered when comparing to its nearest competitors)
- Excellent Mileage
- Nice interiors
- Fuss Free ownership experience
- Low maintenance, at least when compared to German cars

Check out more details at Team BHP Official Review (Maruti Ciaz : Official Review)

Another thread that may help you:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sedans...highlight=ciaz (Pictorial Comparison: Maruti Ciaz vs City, Verna, Vento, Rapid, Linea, Fiesta & Manza)


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niggle free vehicle with a proven track record.
Honda City - an excellent choice in this segment but 4th Gen Honda City is also now known for few niggles and issues. @CrAzY dRiVeR has compiled an excellent report for this at http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...nymore-13.html (Honda City (4th gen) niggles: A compilation. Are Honda cars niggle-free anymore?)
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Any specific reason you want to go for only a sedan? Why don't you also consider the mini-SUV? Seeing you will require seating for 4+2, the Duster, Terrano among others.
Hi PGNarainji
I've haven't driven a Fiat, thought I've been on many of their models (here as well as in its homeland). But I've heard a lot about its stickier-than-a-pesky-neighbour handling on the road. But I wonder if the 1.3 MJD is good enough for the highway, where I'll be spending some time every month. Do share your experiences.

I'm not averse to Mini SUVs & the Duster is indeed a good one at that. Often during travels we carry small machines (related to our field) & the Rapid has enough space in its boot for this. Not sure if Duster falls within my budget (on road pricing). The Rapid's horizontal boot space allows the machine as well as accessories, plus small travel bags. Since the Duster has more vertical space, I feel it may be wasted. Correct me if I'm wrong. But yes, I must try out that one too.

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Hi Jasmeetji
Thanks.
I forgot to mention that there have been 2 Honda City in the company, which again, we drove extensively. One of them (the recently outphased version) was promptly exchanged for a Yeti, while the other (Dolphin) still does intermittent service. In the city, the car proves its worth, but on the highways I don't feel at ease on it. And not to mention the ground clearance (of the version 3), which made us completely avoid certain roads.

But what's your opinion on the Mobilio (Diesel)?
Do you think the latest City has in it for taking highways?

Do share your thoughts.

Thanks again :-)
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