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View Poll Results: Which C2 segment sedan would you choose?
Toyota Yaris 60 12.40%
Honda City 136 28.10%
Maruti Ciaz 32 6.61%
Hyundai Verna 150 30.99%
Skoda Rapid 51 10.54%
Volkswagen Vento 34 7.02%
Fiat Linea 14 2.89%
Other (please specify in your post) 7 1.45%
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Old 11th July 2018, 11:41   #91
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But the Toyota service and ownership costs will beat the Ventos and Skodas hands down.
But you forgot to factor in how much more cheaper a diesel dsg is to run, when compared to the petrol motor in yaris.
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But you forgot to factor in how much more cheaper a diesel dsg is to run, when compared to the petrol motor in yaris.
Didn't forget. I mentioned Diesel DSG in my post purely because the Skoda top end Diesel DSG and the Yaris top end CVT Petrol fall in the same price bracket. It is self implied that at the same price point the Diesel Skoda will be cheaper to run that petrol Yaris. But not many cities have a good Skoda dealership and in Pune the main Skoda dealer closed operations recently and folks have to move to one on the Pune Mumbai highway for service. Toyota dealership and service network is wider compared to Skoda. We still hear some iffy bits about Skoda service in few cities though it has improved leaps and bounds in major cities. Nothing against Skoda here but the service experience does impact the good products they have in their lineup. They still manage to sell Rapid DSG in good numbers and that is one amazing car as well.
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That is exactly what I wrote in the new amaze thread.

Amaze is also spacious, good looking, same power train, gets CVT and it's almost 4 lakhs cheaper than the city!! City's advantage- slightly better looks and slightly more space. Guess a lot of people would go for the amaze, which is terrific vfm(unlike other Hondas)
Absolutely true. If I was in the market for a diesel I will surely go for a CVT diesel Amaze or even manual one which has good interiors now. Only people opting for a City D will be who wants more space and better looks. Even some petrol buyers may look at Amaze now. Honda won't mind though. They will be happy if City keeps doing 3-4k and Amaze 7-8k.
Also, on the other hand it's good for the customers if City won't sell like before, Honda may realize it's overpriced and do a price cut.
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Absolutely true. If I was in the market for a diesel I will surely go for a CVT diesel Amaze or even manual one which has good interiors now. Only people opting for a City D will be who wants more space and better looks. Even some petrol buyers may look at Amaze now. Honda won't mind though. They will be happy if City keeps doing 3-4k and Amaze 7-8k.
Also, on the other hand it's good for the customers if City won't sell like before, Honda may realize it's overpriced and do a price cut.
Honda killed off its Diesel City sales when they removed the lower variants for the Diesel. The Base variant on offer today is the SV Variant which used to be the mid-variant when the 2014 City was launched. As called out in my previous post, the sales of the City was 79% Petrol : 21% Diesel in 2017. So if we take the average monthly sales figure of City at 4,500 for convenience, then they are selling about 945 Units of the Diesel City in all every month. If the Amaze cut away 50% of it also, then its still roughly 500 units impacted...

But my take is that the Amaze possibly is helping them get back the customers who had drifted off to other brands due to the high starting price for a City Diesel. This is where the Ciaz Diesel shines as a VFM Package. One can get the Delta variant of a Ciaz Diesel for about 11.8 L while the City SV costs 2L more (Bangalore prices used for comparison). So possibly Amaze is helping Honda fight the Ciaz battle and we need to wait and watch if Maruti introduces a Diesel CVT/AMT in the facelifted Ciaz.

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The Diesel City was selling only 21% way before the Yaris and Amaze entered the market.

...So there is not much to eat from the Diesel share for Amaze even if it has...unless the Petrol Amaze with its weak heart is also eating into the City's share...
True, but Amaze diesel CVT can also eat a bit of petrol City CVT sales.

Mentioned last day in the Amaze thread - my colleague went for Amaze Diesel CVT over City petrol CVT - not that his requirements absolutely needed a diesel, most of the usage being in Bangalore traffic. But the combination of mileage and convenience is hard to resist.

One person is not a statistic - I'm just saying that this is the first ever VFM, competent and safe diesel automatic choice available - to everyone who were forced the petrol way for automatic convenience earlier. (Not counting AMTs there).
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The future of Diesel as a fuel is very uncertain in Indian Cities. With the diminished price difference and increased pollution narrative there is a more compelling reason to shift to petrol cars. So although Diesel Automatic Amaze is a very value for money and practical car, still Petrol City holds edge with sweet engine and being a car from another category.
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SUVs have become popular all over the world at the expense of sedan sales. So this also means that the really, really very bad Indian roads are not the real reason. Be that as it may, I think that if your real calling is to be a bus or truck driver, you would certainly prefer a SUV to a sedan and there seem to be more of those individuals nowadays. Opinions, even if they are a bit outlandish, matter.
The Yaris has a very oddly placed driver armrest - I could not understand whether it was on backward or the designers had orang utans in mind.
The City has a plain ugly monstrous sized chrome centrepiece which really looks like bad breath. But full marks for everything else - who says you have to be good looking to get on in life - the numbers prove that.
The Verna has a pinched back side due to its attempt to look like the coupe it is not.
The Rapid has an ages old petrol engine that has managed to pick up the sobriquet "fuel guzzler".
Do serious environment conscious people buy diesel engines these days? Apart from the clatter and the racket they make, they are polluting smoke belchers. At least one city in India has sort of half banned them - and its high time that the other metropolises follow suite. I can bet that the total cost of ownership will be much more than a petrol car.
Looking forward to the EVs made available for the masses. I wonder what happened to the hybrids - there only two of them - the Camry hybrid and the Accord hybrid - and both are very costly.
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Ground clearance for Yaris is mentioned in the official review. Quoting from the same
Thanks and I have also been trying to get the Ground Clearance information from TKM directly via emails/phone-calls.

So during latest call of yesterday with TKM, where the representative told me that this information is not available with them, but they could arrange for a dealer to speak with me - which I declined. I told them that if Toyota does not have this information, it is difficult to understand how the dealer could provide it?

Apparently that could be another reason for the Yaris sales not taking off as expected ?
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