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Old 14th May 2007, 19:42   #31
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[quote=greatmana2000;437393]well, if its a maruti , you cud atleast get the car serviced by a roadside mechanic , all by yourself . Maruti spares are everywhere , but i wouldnt touch a toyota , honda , skoda just because I do not want to be misled by stupid "standards " of service offered by HOnda or toyota .

Yes Maruti can be serviced by anyone roadside mechanic but so can Toyota. The advantage Toyota has is that it has vastly lower problems than Maruti or Suzki, so I think the old tale about Maruti being serviced by a roadside mechanic is now just a tale. regarding Toyota's quality, ask 100 Toyota and 100 Maruti owners, and then see the difference.

Hyundai ,maruti are a big sucess because spares are easily avaliable across the spares distributors ,where as the spares of other car manufacturers are not that freely avaliable .

Who gave you this gip that Toyota's spares are not easily available. Unless you are considering counterfeits, Toyota's spares are available at all authorised Toyota dealers. Plus, the same old thing, Toyota will always have a much higher probability of needing less aftermarket problem spares replacement than Suzuki.
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As a Maruti owner for 8 years (800, Zen) , and a non-Maruti owner for 4 years now (Corsa, Corolla), I can say that MUL's quality is vastly overrated, and others in India (except with an exception or two) make much better, more reliable, less rattly, more durable (ie parts need to replaced after longer time). When Suzuki came into India in the 1980s, it came piggybacking on the quality reputation of Toyota and Honda, and not its own excellent rep. OK it had a decent rep. but no way comparable with Toyota (you can check this with long-term reliability records going back to the 1970s for all car manufacturers).

Really, there is no need arguing about Toyota's quality. Interested people can get a lot of free info from the web. For paid info, one can contact me, and I shall forward facts about the enormous difference between Toyota and Suzuki's reputation. As a first setp, this link about 3-year (not initial but long-term) vehicle dependability study (VDS) by JD POwer. See where is Toyota and where is Suzuki.

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Another thing, we are talking about prices and status in India. As you know, status is relative, and Corolla is a premium car here and a entry car in US. Status is relative and a S class Merc is different from a Rolls.
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And please dont get me started on "Status", move out of India and you will know what status corolla has.
But as of now we are in india and compared to Maruti..Toyota here in india specially Corolla hold some status against maruti/sx4.

Go in for the corolla executive..get some bling rims and your on!!!!
do you really want to be driving around in a car which has the ugliest looking A-pillar in town.
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This is a tricky one, while comparing the two, the deciding factor for me will be the new model for toyota which is around the corner which is absolute NO NO in my book. If you are ok with this Corola it is, or move to SX4.
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Go to jdpower.com/autos and see new and used car ratings for 2001 and older ratings for both Toyota and Suzukis being sold in the US. Out of a max. of 5 stars, Toyota's always get 4 or 5 stars in overall quality, whereas most Suzukis get 2 stars. Check it out for yourself. No wonder Corolla sold around 380,000 units in the US during 2006. By comparison, Aerio/SX4 sold 7967. Total Suzuki sales in the US during 2006 were a grand 82101 down from 100990 in 2005. By comaprison, Toyota (excluding Lexus) sales in US jumped from 2260295 in 2005 to 2542525 in 2006.
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Corolla if budget permits in the end ...

it's a segment above so there is no comparing it on any front except the goodies on the top end SX4

you have ABS on the corolla , which is what's most important.
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Yes Maruti can be serviced by anyone roadside mechanic but so can Toyota. The advantage Toyota has is that it has vastly lower problems than Maruti or Suzki, so I think the old tale about Maruti being serviced by a roadside mechanic is now just a tale. regarding Toyota's quality, ask 100 Toyota and 100 Maruti owners, and then see the difference.


Who gave you this gip that Toyota's spares are not easily available. Unless you are considering counterfeits, Toyota's spares are available at all authorised Toyota dealers. Plus, the same old thing, Toyota will always have a much higher probability of needing less aftermarket problem spares replacement than Suzuki.
Try as hard as u might but you just cant beat Maruti when it comes to sheer number of authorized service station.
Toyota spares are easily available but they cost a bomb. I remember when my friend had to replace a single tail lamp on qualis, costed more than 1800 rupess and qualis was heavily localized!
Factor in the cost too.... besides you can't comapre the two because they dont operate in the same segments.
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Mods since this has become a hotly debated thread. Please can we reactivate the Toyota vs SX4 poll.
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Vasudeva, when we say Maruti spares are available, it means they are available through third-party vendors as well. Your argument that Toyota spares are available through the dealer is invalid.

danlalan, I would rather buy an SX4 than a Corolla just for the looks. The Corolla is the most bland and boring car I've seen in India. No wait, that's the old Camry. No no, it's the Corolla. No, Camry...
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My vote would go to Corolla because it's a Toyota. In delhi one can see most of the call centre cabs are Qualis.

Can we think of any car from MUL stable that can run sturdy for 4 years at the rate of 300 kms a day. That is what a call centre qualis does.
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FREAK...i sure as hell wouldnt want to be driving around with those A-pillars on the sx4...UGLY.....
C'mon your tellling me the sx4 looks better than the corolla.......NOOOOO WAY..POLL???
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FREAK...i sure as hell wouldnt want to be driving around with those A-pillars on the sx4...UGLY.....
C'mon your tellling me the sx4 looks better than the corolla.......NOOOOO WAY..POLL???
I also find SX4 better looking than the corolla! Whats wrong with.... that A pillar is a small issue (though its not an issue for me at all), the styling is an issue with the "whole" corolla.
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you have ABS on the corolla , which is what's most important.
You have ot on the SX4 too
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Go to jdpower.com/autos and see new and used car ratings for 2001 and older ratings for both Toyota and Suzukis being sold in the US. Out of a max. of 5 stars, Toyota's always get 4 or 5 stars in overall quality, whereas most Suzukis get 2 stars. Check it out for yourself. No wonder Corolla sold around 380,000 units in the US during 2006. By comparison, Aerio/SX4 sold 7967. Total Suzuki sales in the US during 2006 were a grand 82101 down from 100990 in 2005. By comaprison, Toyota (excluding Lexus) sales in US jumped from 2260295 in 2005 to 2542525 in 2006.
The US market is very different from the Indian market. In the J.D. Power rankings in India Maruti has been the best at customer satisfaction for 7 years in a row and best in sales satisfaction rankings for 3 years in a row.


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well, if its a maruti , you cud atleast get the car serviced by a roadside mechanic , all by yourself . Maruti spares are everywhere , but i wouldnt touch a toyota , honda , skoda just because I do not want to be misled by stupid "standards " of service offered by HOnda or toyota .
I dont think the same holds true for an SX4. A roadside mechanic may be able to repair an 800 but I dont think the SX4 reallly has that advantage here.


Your basically chosing between two different segments. The SX4 is a really good car but so is the Corolla. How much more expensive is the Corolla? IMO the SX4s VFM may make it the winner here.
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