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Old 11th December 2005, 21:24   #16
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hi guys
how would you rate ford fusion
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Hi,

You can also try Ford's all new Fiesta.. Its comes in diesel and petrol both and its any day better than Tata cars. And as for the Accent CRDi. No doubt that this baby is better as per pickup than Fiesta but if u leave that aside then Fiesta anyday over Accent. As for A.S.S (After sales service) both ford and hyundai have good dealers located almost everywhere and where i live (Chandigarh) you can trust the delaers anytime...
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Even though our monthly running will only be 1000 kms (justifying a petrol), I am scared by the steep depreciation on the innova petrol. For every 80 innova diesels sold, there are only 20 petrols. After 2-3 years, the resale value of petrol innova will be very less is what experts say.

Should I buy this argument and buy a diesel?

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hi umeshd, having used to noise level of indica, i would suggest you to go for indigo. it scores over crdi on space and price. it will have good resale value and with the turbo intercooler you will not be left behind as well.

i also had an indica which did 59k, like you said, there were some teething problems but no show stoppers. secondly, having used to FE of diesel, it would be better to stick with diesels.
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If you dont buy the indigo SX, you can go for Indigo LX. You can get 30000 cash discount. So the on road will come to 6L in mumbai, maybe even less. Since you will be driving, the VCD player is a waste.

But baleno will give you ease of driving, better quality of switches etc., and more refinement. With the indigo you will get lower running costs(You can easily get 14 in city and 20 on highway).

I would recommend the indigo, but then looking at your running of just 15000kms/month petrol is viable. But if you forsee your running getting more in future, then go for indigo, but if you wont be doing more than 15000/mo Baleno is better choice
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running of just 15000kms/month petrol is viable. But if you forsee your running getting more in future, then go for indigo, but if you wont be doing more than 15000/mo Baleno is better choice
It should read 1500/month
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i have driven both accent crdi and tata indigo. I will blindly recommend accent crdi to anyone over indigo. Its much faster, better handler and quiter then tata indigo.
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If you dont buy the indigo SX, you can go for Indigo LX. You can get 30000 cash discount. So the on road will come to 6L in mumbai, maybe even less. Since you will be driving, the VCD player is a waste.

But baleno will give you ease of driving, better quality of switches etc., and more refinement. With the indigo you will get lower running costs(You can easily get 14 in city and 20 on highway).

I would recommend the indigo, but then looking at your running of just 15000kms/month petrol is viable. But if you forsee your running getting more in future, then go for indigo, but if you wont be doing more than 15000/mo Baleno is better choice
sorry for veering off the topic a bit, but Tsk tell me something do you really think this 2500km per month bit holds good for today's diesels? I mean I have an Indica in the family since last 3+ years and now I have purchased another one for myself a few months back (6 months or so). My experience says that if the car is maintained properly, that is serviced every 5000kms and you drive say even 2000 kms a month even then it works out to your advantage. Every service costs a max of Rs.2000 in such cases. Add to that the price difference in the cost of fuels, its Rs.15 in Hyderabad, and then the higher mileage of a diesel car (mine gives 15+ in city) it actually is profitable even with 2000 kms (or less!!) per month.

Also, those niggling problems with switches and wiper stalks etc is much lesser now with better switchgears becoming the norm. A very good example could be the wiper and light stalk on the steering boss. Earlier those miniature two-way switches used to feel "oh so flimsy" types. Newer Indica has done away with them and brought in those standard rotary switches.
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Well zappo, I also drive an indica and fully agree with you about the cost part. even with 1500kms/month diesel car would work out cheaper.

In Indigo in delhi prices you would spend 3000rs/month for fuel when you do 1500kms/month
A Petrol baleno will cost you 5000rs/mo on fuel. So you save 1500rs-2000rs a month. So the question now becomes. Is 1500-2000rs a month in fuel savings enough incentive for you to give up refinement and drivability? For a car which costs 3-4L where your emi for 5 year loan would be around 9000rs/mo 2000rs a month is good savings. But for a person who is paying 15000/mo as EMI 1500/mo is not incentive enough.
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what about depreciation . I heard diesel cars depreciate faster then petrol car ??????. Is this True ???


So, say if you save 20k on petrol bills but if spent 6k more on service+rapirs of diesel car and if diesel car depreciate 15k more over petrol car then whats the use of having diesel car over petrol considering cost advantage?

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(I am still of the opinion that diesels are costlier to maintain in the long run, modern or not - ignition is still achieved by compression which causes the fuel to explode)
1.there is not much difference in maintainance of petrols and diesels these days.even cars with idi diesel engines like tata indica are maintainence free these days,but ive heard quite a lot of cases of engine trouble in roughly used accent crdi's.

2.diesel cars have nice resale value too.

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Untill I brought my Santro... I was total Diesel Head Coz I have a specilization in diesel Engines....
Right now I am not going to argue about the benifits of diesel or petrol. But I am going to talk about a term which is often not given the value. Its TCO, Total Cost of Ownership.
When u look at TCO, which is the actual fact that need to be considered. Many expensive Diesel car aint worth the trouble even if they are maintanance free. The cost difference you will incurr initially to purchase diesel wont be recovered even in 3 years of usage if you are gonna drive below a certain milage every month.
I am bad at maths.. but gud enuff to understand certain aspect. When your planning to buy a diesel car at a certain price, compare it with the price of the petrol and the average of distance you would travel every month and calculate the expense based on the milage provided by the car. Consider the no of years you are going to use it.
U will know whether its worth it or not.

Well I am talkin with regards to the pricing in India and normal home usage.

I am crazy.... aint I!!!!
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I had a Ford Escort diesel before I got the baleno. My family loved the car, spacious and comfortable, and very quiet for a diesel. I hated to drive it anywhere (except the highway) because of the lack of power. Overtaking another car was a decision I had to take a month in advance! Also the costs of maintenance were steep - maybe my garage was also padding the bills.
The Baleno is a sheer pleasure to drive and I have all the power I need. My driving is around 15000 km a year, so I never saw the savings in the diesel.
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Isn't scorpio good for you ? You say you can bear thenoise it makes and then it can adjust the 3 adults in rear properly and is also diesel. Has good quiality buttons and stuff you will not have to go again and again to dealer for that.

Isn't that good ?
And if you ain't afraid of petrol then spend another 70-80K and get Optra 1.6


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Many expensive Diesel car aint worth the trouble even if they are maintanance free. The cost difference you will incurr initially to purchase diesel wont be recovered even in 3 years of usage if you are gonna drive below a certain milage every month.
You are bang on the target General. The operative word here is the TCO. And a major part of it comes in when you find that the cost of a diesel car is at least 50k to 70k more than a petrol That is a substantial amount and you start working all those arithmatics of how many kms you will drive every month so as to recover the cost in XYZ years.

Now, what if the car does not cost you that much in the first place? What if you find that the cost for the diesel engined car is almost comparable to other petrol cars? That is when it starts making sense with its higher mileage. Top that with the price difference in the fuel costs and the lower maintenance of the diesel cars (even IDI ones) and the deal all of a sudden appears not so bad.

By the way, the life of a diesel engine is typically more than that of a petrol engine, because of its ruggedness in construction (blocks et al).
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