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Old 25th August 2005, 14:36   #16
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but one of my friend said the Vtec has more bhp and is more powerful than a baleno?

If yes then what should i do to make my baleno faster than a headered Vtec?

Please help me out guys....
Hey, Once you modify and makes it better than Vtech, another friend of yours will quote another car which is a better performer. Thats going to be a unending story. If you feel that there is real need, go for it otherwise keep away from those
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That is a good point Surprise. Besides, a 'modded' VTEC will beat a 'modded' Baleno. The cycle is endless.
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It dosent make sense to compare 2 cars modded to different levels. The VTEC is about 2 seconds faster in the 0 -100 kmph run. In racing 2 seconds is a country mile

That's pretty much the end of story. Of course the Baleno is much cheaper and is more bang for the buck.
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Old 25th August 2005, 19:21   #19
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yeah dude your baleno can surely beat a v-tec if you modify it a bit..
there was this drag i heard about...where a heavily modified zen took a v-tec which had a complete freeflow system and a filter..
heavily modified zen...
baleno..will need just a few changes then...
i dont think so dude in any case a zen can beat a vtec unless it is an e-zen or b-zen . or it might be an vtec drivers error .
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end of the day no matter what all mods you do to your car... it all comes down to how good you are behind the wheel
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Too true, sanket. The major component is the single loose nut behind the steering wheel!
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drag in the city and i think it all boils down to the driver.....and in any case where r u gonna find a place to drag them for top speed...and thats the only place where the city can beat the baleno.....
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the baleno is a very capable car...as someone said its very good for city riding but outright perfomance the v-tec is better.... baleno is at 94 hp, vtec at 106 ...at these levels of hp.... how the car is driven gives u a better choice...
BHPs dont say everything...

1. We dont know whether the power is measured at the wheel or the cranckshaft level...this can make a difference

2. According to an ACI comparo...Accent Tornado (104 Bhp I guess) is SLOWER by 4 sec to 140kmph than a Baleno.(a sober 94 bhp).......and has a lower top speed too..how is the power developed throughout the powerband makes a lot of difference than just plain numbers...

To Adeem's ost...Aseem always has this opinion about the Esteem being faster than Baleno...however, I feel other wise...
All data is from ACI...so feel free to refute their trustworthiness...however, I believe them
Acceleration
Baleno 0-100 : 11.1 Sec 0-60 : 4.92 sec
Esteem : 0-100 : 11.49 sec : 0-60 : 5.01 sec
Swift : 0-100 : 12.29 sec : 0-60 : 5.22 sec

Top speed
Baleno : 185
Esteem : 165
Swift : 174 kmph

Lets talk about real life : 20-80 kmph in THIRD GEAR is a typical overtaking move in cities

Baleno : 12.9 sec
Esteem : 15.7 sec
Swift : 15.82 sec

Lets talk about a small highway sprint : 40-100 kmph in 4th gear (typicall truck overtaking)

Baleno : 18.7sec
Esteem : 24.6 sec
Swift : 21.88 sec
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Esteem has a top speed of 180.
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autocar india is G-A-Y... sorry bout the strong words...but the magzine sux...the only "depandable" source is OVERDRIVE...n in the OD tests, the esteem hits the ton in 12.9ish while the baleno does it in 13.1ish...
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BHPs dont say everything...

1. We dont know whether the power is measured at the wheel or the cranckshaft level...this can make a difference

2. According to an ACI comparo...Accent Tornado (104 Bhp I guess) is SLOWER by 4 sec to 140kmph than a Baleno.(a sober 94 bhp).......and has a lower top speed too..how is the power developed throughout the powerband makes a lot of difference than just plain numbers...

To Aseem's post...Aseem always has this opinion about the Esteem being faster than Baleno...however, I feel other wise...
All data is from ACI...so feel free to refute their trustworthiness...however, I believe them
Acceleration
Baleno 0-100 : 11.1 Sec 0-60 : 4.92 sec
Esteem : 0-100 : 11.49 sec : 0-60 : 5.01 sec
Swift : 0-100 : 12.29 sec : 0-60 : 5.22 sec
Buffetan, you yourself have mentioned that Accent Tornado has more BHP but still Baleno is faster. So facts can be twisted and turned. You have mentioned one magazine and you yourself will acknowledge most other magazines give Esteem to be faster in 0-100. Now you will talk about their credibility, so the debate will go on and on as to who to believe. However we must agree there are quite a few magazines who put Esteem ahead of Baleno. I am qouting Indiacar on 0-100:

Car Name 0-40 0-60 0-100
Maruti Esteem 3.00 secs 5.16 secs 12.27 secs
Maruti Baleno 2.72 secs 5.02 secs 12.77 secs

Distance 0-100kmph

Car Name 0-40 0-60 0-100
Maruti Baleno 15.45 mtr 44.64 mtr 222.03 mtr
Maruti Esteem 17.20 mtr 44.52 mtr 209.21 mtr

Here is a qoute from the road test of another reputed magazine, autocarindia for Esteem:

The 1.3 petrol, although ancient, is one of the finest engines available in India: built largely out of aluminium, it is refined, powerful, and frugal and loves to be revved. In fact, it can accelerate quicker than an old Honda City VTEC! This engine is virtually bombproof, and a sipper, averaging an amazing 10.1 and 16.7kpl in city and on the highway.

What helps both engines along is the excellent gearbox, which is light and precise, although the too-tall gearing affects driveability somewhat. However, the tall gearing makes the car a composed highway cruiser.

http://www.autocarindia.com/new/Road...ls.asp?ID=1033

Overdrive also rates Esteem 0-100 faster than Baleno. So that makes it three magazines as opposed to your ACI figures. Now that brings me to the second part of what you have mentioned:

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Lets talk about real life : 20-80 kmph in THIRD GEAR is a typical overtaking move in cities

Baleno : 12.9 sec
Esteem : 15.7 sec
Swift : 15.82 sec
As mentioned earlier:
What helps esteem engine along is the excellent gearbox, which is light and precise, although the too-tall gearing affects driveability somewhat.

To put it plainly, Esteem is less torquier than Baleno. Therefore you have smartly posted figures that help you prove a point. Baleno being a torquier car will always imply that its torque will peak at a lower RPM band, doesnt mean its faster than Esteem. If you put Accent Viva Crdi on 4 gear and accelerate from 30-100, Baleno will be seeing the exhaust smoke of the CRDI as it has more torque than the Baleno. The torque of Esteem is 105@3000 RPM as opposed to 134@3000 RPM for Baleno. Compared with lower torque and tall gearing, Esteem's acceleration on 3rd and 4th gear is a lot less than Baleno, but how about posting the figures of 0-100 on 2nd gear for both the cars?

Hyundai accent CRDI is 187@2000 RPM so its even more torquier than Baleno, but doesnt make it faster??? just makes it more drivable and increases acceleration figures from 30-100 kmph on 4th gear as opposed to Baleno. So just like Accent CRDI is not faster than Baleno, similarly between 0-100 if revved to the limit, Esteem is faster than Baleno, I am not talking about the drivability here.

Here is something that will clear the concept about torque:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/eng99128.htm

Practically speaking, however, a high torque engine will have faster response to the accelerator pedal from a lower RPM. A low torque engine may require the driver to shift into a lower gear to attain higher RPM's before maximal acceleration can occur. Diesels tend to produce pretty much the same torque at all RPMs and will give good throttle response. But, small displacement sports cars like the Honda S2000 require the engine to be revved to very high speeds to produce much power and tend to produce proportionally lower torque and power at low RPMs. To quote a friend of mine who test drove an S2000, you have to drive it like you stole it to make it go fast. Of course, for sports car enthusiasts, this is considered fun.

So agreed third gear acceleration of Esteem is no way near as good as Baleno, but doesnt mean its slower. It has to be revved hard like a sports car. And if its about driveability, than in City conditions, Accent CRDI is more drivable than Baleno due to its awesome torque.

Coming to your last point, about Baleno having 94 bhp as opposed to 85 bhp for Esteem means it has more power. Agreed, it has more power, but it has to tow more weight as opposed to Esteem. The gross weight of Esteem is 860 as opposed to 975 for Baleno, thus the effective power to weigt ratio of Esteem is a ton.
85:860==== 99 BHP per thousand kgs.
94:975==== 96 BHP per thousand kgs.
Finally, I am no advocate of Esteem. I am just stating facts, and not jiggling around with them to prove a point. Take this in the right spirit.
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CAR India:
Maruti Esteem - 12.7 sec to 100kmh
Maruti Baleno - 12.5 sec to 100kmh

You can always find a magazine to prove you're right. I personally feel the Baleno is quicker, and I've clocked a 11.3 run to 105kmh on the speedo. 105 to try and negate speedo error. Sure, I used a stopwatch, not a Racelogic VBOX. But a 1 second difference?

On the other hand, Hyundai has faced harsh criticism for overstating peak power output figures at one time. Evidently they continue with their 1.6 DOHC engine. Even the 1.5 SOHC from the GLE is pitifully slow. I don't think a comparison is warranted.

Guys, if you wish, please start a different topic, "Which car is faster? Baleno or Esteem?" This topic is about the Vtec and the Baleno.
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Top speed
Baleno : 185
Esteem : 165
Swift : 174 kmph

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One of our Team Bhp'ian has taken the car to 185/kmph. Also he had clicked the speedo at 180/kmph. I guess it's veryon 1
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That would be me. In no way to strengthen any side of the argument butttttttttttttt



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That would be me. In no way to strengthen any side of the argument butttttttttttttt



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If this reply is for what I had mentioned, then this is not the photo to which Iam refering for.

That's a very close shot to the speedo & it was Swift. The reason why I mentioned it was, the top speed of Swift was mentioned as 174 kmph in the magazine, but acutally it did 185 kmph. If you want it with a proof, may be you can take the top speed as 180
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