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Swift DZire 76 23.46%
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Old 16th February 2010, 15:30   #196
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Manza critics are already saying it has lots of steel.
Anyway, a car is as safe as its driver is. I had Maruti 800 without ABS, EBD, Side beams etc and did 170000+ Km, enduring varied terrain and moods and I am still alive.

How much safe is safe?

Depends on size of your wallet and fear.
Well I use to travel in Auto Rickshaws for last 5 years and I'm still alive
You cannot expect all to drive keeping others safety in mind and thats the reason we need safety features like ABS/EBD, Airbags, Side Impact Beams and so on.
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If looks (subjective), ride quality, structural strength and gadgets at a price, it has to be Tata Manza.
I am very much happy to see an indian manufacturer giving such a quality product for the price. Quality levels have been increased by leaps and bounds over previous gen tata vehicles.

In May 2008 i was buying a car and thought to check Dzire which was launched in same month. Took a test drive and found car to be ok. I check ZDI version which had some nice kit. Waiting period was 15 days on the day i took TD. I called back sales person after 3 days and the waiting period jumped to 6 months
Terrible man. I just booked another car.
Maruti has understood how to play with indian customers. I agree to the point that their cars will be true VFM.

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Well I use to travel in Auto Rickshaws for last 5 years and I'm still alive
You cannot expect all to drive keeping others safety in mind and thats the reason we need safety features like ABS/EBD, Airbags, Side Impact Beams and so on.
OMG, how can I forget that! Thanks for reminding.
BTW, it reminds me of Metro cranes falling over car roofs and iron rods piercing through windows. Both are of similar quality in Manza and Dzire, I guess.
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BTW, it reminds me of Metro cranes falling over car roofs and iron rods piercing through windows. Both are of similar quality in Manza and Dzire, I guess.
That's hardly a consideration. Remember, even the S Class is not death-proof. I'd love to see a car that can withstand cranes falling on them or iron rods piercing through their windows.
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Guys does the Dzire ZDI/ZXI have electrically controlled ORVMs like MANZA?
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Guys does the Dzire ZDI/ZXI have electrically controlled ORVMs like MANZA?
IIRC the Dzire does not have electronically controlled ORVM's like Manza.
Sorry if my information is wrong.
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Electrically controlled ORVM's are only available in Manza Aura +.
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OMG, how can I forget that! Thanks for reminding.
BTW, it reminds me of Metro cranes falling over car roofs and iron rods piercing through windows. Both are of similar quality in Manza and Dzire, I guess.
Wat's the percentage of people encountering something like falling cranes on their car? It does not make any sense in considering cars don't need safety features like side impact beam since they cannot withstand impact of a crane falling over it!!
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MUL - or anyone else - don't need to change the center of gravity of Swift, or whatever it is. The CoG will automatically change when some extra weight is added to an object. I just don't get what you mention here. Could you please explain, or 'Google' it thoroughly?
The Centre or gravity of Cars is determined by the Manufacturer, while designing. But subsequently when there are changes such as adding boot, there has to be some engineering done to arrive at COG, where the Car Company wants and not where ever it shifts its ok.

The Centre of Gravity shifts automatically and if it is at wrong place, your Car will swerve in the Curves and in Hard braking. Thankfully, No Indian will abuse their Car as much as the Test Drivers do. So, till then Dzire is Safe with COG in any place as long as you're a sedate driver.

This is exactly the same reason why Dzire has got super soft suspension and Swift - the Hard.

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The Centre or gravity of Cars is determined by the Manufacturer, while designing. But subsequently when there are changes such as adding boot, there has to be some engineering done to arrive at COG, where the Car Company wants and not where ever it shifts its ok.

The Centre of Gravity shifts automatically and if it is at wrong place, your Car will swerve in the Curves and in Hard braking. Thankfully, No Indian will abuse their Car as much as the Test Drivers do. So, till then Dzire is Safe with COG in any place as long as you're a sedate driver.

This is exactly the same reason why Dzire has got super soft suspension and Swift - the Hard.
+1 to that.Thanks Jazz you have put it in a much better way than I could.

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Default One on one comparison between Dzire Vxi and Manza Aura Safire

I know there have been many discussions between Manza & Dzire but here I am specifically looking at a comparison between Dzire Vxi and Manza Aura safire.

The major difference between the two is that the Dzire with it's new K-12 engine is now Bharat stage IV compliant whereas Manza is BS III compliant (even though Manza is BS-IV ready but it's not compliant as of now).

A few major things which Manza Aura Safire has but Dzire Vxi lacks :

1) Tilt adjustable steering
2) Rear defogger
3) Steering audio controls
4) 100% foldable rear seat
5) Bluetooth & USB support
6) Power outlet (rear cabin)


A few major things which Dzire Vxi has but Manza Aura Safire lacks :

1) Keyless entry
2) Rear fog lamps
3) Adjustable rear seat head restraint
4) Driver seat belt & door ajar warning

Please do point out any other major points in addition to above.

A complete comparison table in excel is attached.I request others to update or correct the table as needed.


Comparison.xls
Comparison table courtesy carwale.com

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Major difference for me is in the looks, Manza looks much more "Executive type" than D'zire, I have never liked the rear side of D'zire.

Ofcourse D'zire is much more proven, largest selling, Maruti Suzuki
where is Manza is the N'th varient of Indigo sedan, hopefully this time Tata have got it right & hopefully "Nothing is Missing"
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Rishab,

Manza has it ALL and MORE than Dsire
Adjustable Rear head rests across all variants.
Keyless entry on Aura ABS and Aura Plus variants
Seat belt warning on Aura ABS and Aura Plus variants
Rear Fog lamps on Aura ABS and Aura Plus variants
Retractor,Pretensioner, Load limiter for Front seat belts on Aura Plus variants

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Comparisons aside, how many of us would be *actually* willing to put our money on a Petrol TATA ?
There is actually no comparison at all between a japanese/korean petrol with a TATA petrol. And this includes not only the technical aspects viz the performance, FE, reliability, but service center knowhow also. I am afraid TATA does not fair too well here.
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Rishab,

Manza has it ALL and MORE than Dsire
Adjustable Rear head rests across all variants.
It's only the Aura+ & Aura (ABS) which have adjustable rear head rests & not all the variants as you mentioned.

I agree,Aura+ & Aura(ABS) have many more features but as I have already mentioned at the start, I am restricting this comparison to Aura Safire & Dzire Vxi only.
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