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Old 13th May 2011, 20:52   #106
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If it makes your decision any easier, I just got my Vista serviced (Millenium Motors, Wakdewadi - New dealer for Tata). The experience was good and also my bill for my 4th service (20K kms) was (hold your breath!) - Rs. 0 (yes you read it right 'zero').

Thanks to the Tata Gold care package I had got when I brought the car. The total expense till date on all services has been zero.
Total expense on Spares - Left front indicator bulb - Rs. 50. Balancing weights - Rs. 176.

You get this as default when you buy the Vista or Manza top end version. It covers till 20k kms and you can then refresh it for Rs. 500 only (they give you a coupon booklet).

I think this gives almost complete peace of mind. Go ahead with the Manza, it is a wonderful package.

P.S. In case you are wondering if my car is aging (read rattles etc). the answer is an emphatic NO. And that is after almost 19000 kms of driving on some real bad roads.
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Thanks Torquecurve.
Mate you just made the decision even tougher LOL.
More when I am on the computer.
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By that time my trustworthy Indica would be well beyond 1 lac kms & raring to go,
@Autoindian, would be good if you could share your experience with Tata A$$. Would add a better perspective to the Manza (and Linea) option.

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If it makes your decision any easier, I just got my Vista serviced (Millenium Motors, Wakdewadi - New dealer for Tata). The experience was good and also my bill for my 4th service (20K kms) was (hold your breath!) - Rs. 0 (yes you read it right 'zero').

Thanks to the Tata Gold care package I had got when I brought the car. The total expense till date on all services has been zero.
Total expense on Spares - Left front indicator bulb - Rs. 50. Balancing weights - Rs. 176.

You get this as default when you buy the Vista or Manza top end version. It covers till 20k kms and you can then refresh it for Rs. 500 only (they give you a coupon booklet).

I think this gives almost complete peace of mind. Go ahead with the Manza, it is a wonderful package.

P.S. In case you are wondering if my car is aging (read rattles etc). the answer is an emphatic NO. And that is after almost 19000 kms of driving on some real bad roads.
@Torquecurve, Have never heard of the Tata Gold care package. The sales guys dealing with me were probably not smart enough to bring it out. Could you please shed more light on it? Is it available to buyers of other (not the top) models, at an extra price? What all does it cover?

I loved many aspects of the Manza, but was left with a few concerns beyond the A$$ too. Driving it for a few kms in a test drive can only tell so much about a car. Often, getting used to it over time and knowing the nuances of it allows one to get more out of it.

How does the Manza feel to drive in the city? In the short test drives, I felt that engine to be a tad underpowered. The gear changes seemed a bit too frequent to keep it in the narrow power-band the Manza has.
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@Autoindian, would be good if you could share your experience with Tata A$$. Would add a better perspective to the Manza (and Linea) option.
There is nothing to write about TASS in general. It is one of the most dreaded places. However I have done a majority of my services outside TASS after the free services were over. Most of the times I stand besides my car when it is being serviced. This gives very little chance to the mechanic for any fiddling or manipulations. Whenever you have some time you can go trough my Long Term Ownership Thread over here.

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Thanks for sharing Autoindian. Quite a contrast from the tone of Torquecurve's message

Seems there may not be much to choose between the A$$ of Tata and GM.

Will check out your ownership thread later, in detail. It seems you have kept a detailed log about the car.
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Thanks for sharing Autoindian. Quite a contrast from the tone of Torquecurve's message

Seems there may not be much to choose between the A$$ of Tata and GM.
The Tata Gold care package which Torquecurve has shared seems to be a good initiative by TATA. However the free services is the honey moon period for any car. The real pain begins when the paid services start & then all the A$$ behave in the same manner. Hence always prefer a car/ manufacturer, which gives maximum company warranty or extended warranty at minimum cost.

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Will check out your ownership thread later, in detail. It seems you have kept a detailed log about the car.
Please do so & let me know if you need any additional inputs on that front
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@Autoindian, would be good if you could share your experience with Tata A$$. Would add a better perspective to the Manza (and Linea) option.



@Torquecurve, Have never heard of the Tata Gold care package. The sales guys dealing with me were probably not smart enough to bring it out. Could you please shed more light on it? Is it available to buyers of other (not the top) models, at an extra price? What all does it cover?

I loved many aspects of the Manza, but was left with a few concerns beyond the A$$ too. Driving it for a few kms in a test drive can only tell so much about a car. Often, getting used to it over time and knowing the nuances of it allows one to get more out of it.

How does the Manza feel to drive in the city? In the short test drives, I felt that engine to be a tad underpowered. The gear changes seemed a bit too frequent to keep it in the narrow power-band the Manza has.
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The Tata Gold care package which Torquecurve has shared seems to be a good initiative by TATA. However the free services is the honey moon period for any car. The real pain begins when the paid services start & then all the A$$ behave in the same manner. Hence always prefer a car/ manufacturer, which gives maximum company warranty or extended warranty at minimum cost.



Please do so & let me know if you need any additional inputs on that front

I had a nice experience with Millennium Motors TA$$. They are very professional. The SA explained everything when I was taking delivery of the car. They rotated the tyres, did the balancing and alignment (though I had not asked for it - but it did solve a slight left'pull' i had at speeds over 60) and also all fluids were topped up, he even put the dipstick in to show that the oil was changed. I think they are improving.

The gold package can also be purchased. You could contact the Tata customer service about it. It also covers 'Paid' services (which become free services!)

I have driven a friends Manza, yes, gear changes are required to maintain the power band, but wont affect a sedate driver. But the 3rd gear is superb with a range on 20kmph till 80 kmph. If you like spirited driving, dont go for the Manza, but if you are looking to crunch miles very comfortably, it is almost perfect. Did a round trip from Pune to Mum with only stop at Mum for 30 mins. All 5 people including me were supremely comfortable. (5 guys, 3 - 6 footers), soo much so that we went directly to office after arriving. And that was in the Vista. the Manza is even more comfortable.
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Thanks Torquecurve, for sharing your experience. I even like your tag line

It is good to hear how good Tata A$$ seems to be improving. Hope to hear more good stories about it. There is still some more time for the purchase.

Was told that here in Delhi atleast, they are opening up too many dealers, hence with squeezed margins, the older one's are packing up for greener pastures. Wonder how that will affect the A$$. I remember finding my hand always on the gear knob in the TD. It may have a bit to do with my driving style too.

@autoindian, Mate you have one hell of a log in the ownership report. Will take a while to study it. So much effort! Thanks. Will ask you (PM) for inputs as needed.
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@autoindian, Mate you have one hell of a log in the ownership report. Will take a while to study it. So much effort! Thanks. Will ask you (PM) for inputs as needed.
My pleasure, good to know that you found it useful. Yes it did require a good amount of effort initially, but then I am now so used to it that I may forget eating at times, but never to fill up the log.

Took a test drive of the Fluidic Verna today (you can refer my TD report on that thread http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offici...review-43.html

Manza is no doubt a very VFM car (comfortable seating both front & rear being a big plus point), the bland side profile puts me off & the 1.3L Quadrajet seems to lack a few horses (haven't test driven one yet), but car of that size deserves a bigger engine. I think an engine size of 1.6 litre has found a sweet spot with me. At least in the Verna it has enough punch to drive effortlessly in the city as well as on highway & it is frugal enough not to burn a hole in your pocket for running expenses. The 1.6 litre multijet is much awaited in the Linea & of course the all new Ford Fiesta (again 1.6 L TDCi Duratorq)
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Manza is no doubt a very VFM car (comfortable seating both front & rear being a big plus point), the bland side profile puts me off & the 1.3L Quadrajet seems to lack a few horses (haven't test driven one yet), but car of that size deserves a bigger engine. I think an engine size of 1.6 litre has found a sweet spot with me.
Had similar thoughts after the second TD of the Manza.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sedans...ml#post2314805

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Tata Manza Elan Test Driven Again

----------------- notes after that test drive -------------

Wonder if a Manza would sell well, if it was say about 60-80k more expensive (would put it closer to Vento bandwidth) and came with a much smoother and bigger engine. A moot thought though.
I did read your review on the phone, autoindian. At leisure, as u suggested ;-) Man, Tbhp is getting addictive. Find myself checking it even on the phone now Good review. More on that on the Verna thread.

Am waiting for the Fiesta too. The old (classic) one has a very good engine. Hope it is not cramped.
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I did read your review on the phone, autoindian. At leisure, as u suggested ;-) Man, Tbhp is getting addictive. Find myself checking it even on the phone now Good review. More on that on the Verna thread.
I wonder how you managed to do that, reading on phone

No doubt TBHP is very addictive. Where else would you find such wealth of information? I have often been accused of digging my head into the laptop & looking at cars, cars & only cars, not paying enough attention in the household chores

I guess that's the way life would be for the next couple of months until I lay my hands on that much awaited upgrade car
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Even I thought this would change after I got my car home. But believe me, my usage has only increased, to check/ report on niggles and issues and to see how other fellow buyers are getting along. Now busier on Tbhp due to the iPhone app

Poitive, did you book your Verna TD online?
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In one word : Addiction!

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Poitive, did you book your Verna TD online?
I think I'll wait for the TD rush to die down a bit and then just pass by a Hyundai showroom sometime.

In other happenings, I had been wondering if this thread/information belonged to the Test drives section of the forum also. So I checked it with the mods and was told that I should start another thread there.

Started it. Have tried to write the Test Drives there in a more descriptive way as opposed to the point by point approach here. The thread is at:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...sx4-manza.html
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I wonder how you managed to do that, reading on phone

No doubt TBHP is very addictive.
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In one word : Addiction!


The Team BHP app recently released for iOS and Android devices is only going to make the experience more addictive.
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Head says No to the Optra.
Heart screams out for it. Loudly![/quote]

Hello Poitive,

I hope you haven't zeroed in on your hunt for a diesel sedan for about 10-11L. If so here goes my 2 cents...

Blindly take this Mate , If you are looking for a DIESEL beauty(Mill) for pure Driving pleasure & Performance then Just got for Magnum fully loaded. I am not saying this because I am a proud owner of Magnum from the last 3 months...!!! Yes I do own a MAGNUM LT TCDI. Its Full VFM , Believe me. It has everything except Steering mount and so on , But yes design is dated.
Also not very sure about being stopped by GM , At some point all vehicles would get stopped & as a Matter of fact this is what I am hearing form last one year when I started my HUNTůSo its up to you. 

Now I remember you said about your "HEART" & "MIND".

Even I too had this tussle sometime back when my hunt was on & Guess what? , I went for my HEART not for my mind... and I am just enjoying every bit of it!!! It has OK music system with 6 CD changer + ACC and So onů!!! I will not write on the RIDE Quality & performance as I could see a lot of threads on the same & by now you would have covered all I presume. Also infact it is those few threads which has influenced me as well.

Also on MIND/HEAD - According to my HEAD , It would/should have been VENTO for sure , another diesel beauty from the GIANT VW with more contempary looks than OPTRA but still not fully comparable when it comes to performance of Magnum. I was following the BIRTH of vento right from the very IDEA of POLO Sedan started popping up during the 2009 fag end.

So to conclude Its MAGNUM if your HEART WINS over HEAD or VENTO if other way around, Nothing else for 10L.
So you can reach me out Mate for further discussions...let me know.

Cheers.
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