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Old 22nd July 2011, 00:50   #31
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movies are not made for charity.
True. They are made to make black money of underworld white.
And I still hate it when I have to pay Rs 100 for a freaking bag of Pop Corns.
As long as PVR and the rest of company is in business piracy will also be there.

Anyways this attempt to throttle internet will fall flat on its face. Govt is too inept at doing it. As simple as that.
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True. They are made to make black money of underworld white.
And I still hate it when I have to pay Rs 100 for a freaking bag of Pop Corns.
As long as PVR and the rest of company is in business piracy will also be there.

Anyways this attempt to throttle internet will fall flat on its face. Govt is too inept at doing it. As simple as that.

I think all the reasons you write here are hogwash, the real reason you are pissed with this move is something else.

By the way, how did you decide your team-BHP alias?




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I was using OpenDNS and noticed that OpenDNS is complying to government orders. Simply switched to Google DNS and everything works fine.

Set Primary DNS in your modem-router as 8.8.8.8 and secondary as 8.8.4.4
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Banning porn sites ok, but what about site hosting movies, so Govt wants us to buy original cds of all movies else go to multiplex and pay 300+ to watch them? In that way youtube may also get banned IMO.
Thats not ok

Anyway, back to topic. This is bullshit. We are not living in China or Saudi Arabia. We are living in a democratic republic, where internet should mean the full internet, not partial internet.
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@download2live : What you have stated is correct. We already are paying hefty amount for just slow and dialup like broadband ( which in any case is not broadband ). Then why should we pay more for jacked up popcorn and sandwiches ?

I download movies as I hate silly songs in the movie and can watch them at my convenience. Plus I dont have to pay any indirect tax ( at theaters ) and no parking fee.

This is not about download, but its about attitude of Indian government which is worse than many countries now. In Democracy, we need to have freedom. Even US does not ban these sites. This is hitting democracy in the face, and now I am wondering if we are living in a free country or corrupt ( free only for politicos ) country.

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Typical of our system. Throw out the baby with the bathwater. Next they will start blocking off sites of their opponents. Next it will be Google (or at least GMail), Twitter, Facebook...

My own view is that an adult has every right to decide what he wants to access.

Incidentally, porn has been estimated to comprise of about 90% of Internet traffic.
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I think all the reasons you write here are hogwash, the real reason you are pissed with this move is something else.
In IT companies there is a continuous battle going on between the network admins and the IT professionals. Network Admins find a way to restrict the sites. And we find a way around it.

And we always find a way around. Always.

So I really do not think these half baked govt policies are going to have any effect, at least on the battle hardened IT crowd.
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In IT companies there is a continuous battle going on between the network admins and the IT professionals. Network Admins find a way to restrict the sites. And we find a way around it.

And we always find a way around. Always.

So I really do not think these half baked govt policies are going to have any effect, at least on the battle hardened IT crowd.

If the People's government of China could not keep people from accessing the WWW, our despotic govt. has no chance indeed


I wouldn't comment on morality of banning porn sites, some things are better left unsaid, but I believe it is a right of adults to have access to sites that take safeguards to keep minors out.
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Typical of our system. Throw out the baby with the bathwater. Next they will start blocking off sites of their opponents. Next it will be Google (or at least GMail), Twitter, Facebook...

My own view is that an adult has every right to decide what he wants to access.

Incidentally, porn has been estimated to comprise of about 90% of Internet traffic.

Was in a meeting when I posted the previous post.

I'm sure you exaggerated about the percentage and really meant that majority of internet usage is porn - but that was not true as late as 2005.

Also in 2007 or 2008 music+video downloads took over porn.

Today porn is still one of the largest things loading the internet but Music and Video (non-porn videos) downloads outpace it by a huge margin - thanks to multiple video services.

AFAIK even in India porn is no longer the biggest driver (though it certainly would be one of the biggest) of data usage - though I may be wrong here.



Porn industry doesn't care as much about piracy as the more "legitimate" studios do - piracy is free advertising and the costs per movie are orders of magnitude lower so even 50% to 90% piracy still means huge profits - add to that the fact that recourse to legal methods is a double edged sword for porn industry and you get the idea.


as far as rights of content owners (and I'm talking big guys here like Universal studios, SONY ...) go - ISPs don't care two hoots. US laws (Digital Millennium Copyright Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in particular) were written to favour ISPs and they along with the likes of Google have lobbied very hard over the last decade to keep things this way.

Most of the brouhaha in the developed world (and the liberal developing world like ours) about blocking sites has less to do with what ISPs think is right or wrong and more to do with the fact that in the last 5 years network bandwidth hasn't kept in pace with the content explosion.

Till 2yrs ago most broadband plans came with as-much-as-you-can-consume today every "unlimited" plan has a "fair usage" limit that is so low (i.e. for many of us) - it is unfair. Content owners (whose stuff is being pirated) or govt. didn't do this, ISPs did.
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Government despirately wants to control internet porn or no porn.

Governments have no fear of print media and TV channels becuase they act as pressure release valve of public anger in a very controlled manner, but the Anna Hazare / Ramdev movement set the bells ringing that India can have a middle east like situation so Government and opposition will both like the internet providers to fall in life and muzzle the user generated content.

Think about it the print media and TV channels is controlled by government in a major way they just need to throw few advertisements at them. How else can the NREGS advertisements in English on English news channels be explained.

Radia tapes were unearthed by government agencies but no major channel or news paper dared to carry the story initially it was left to a small time magazine "open" who published them first because they desperately needed readership. Days of Ramnath Goenika and Arun Shouri are long gone.
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Governments have no fear of print media and TV channels becuase they act as pressure release valve of public anger in a very controlled manner, but the Anna Hazare / Ramdev movement set the bells ringing that India can have a middle east like situation so Government and opposition will both like the internet providers to fall in life and muzzle the user generated content.
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Anna Hazare = middle east

I think you lost sight of the fact that middle east guys are basically asking for a right to vote and Hazare (however laudable his goals) is saying openly that he can't get votes.

BTW this is sure to get into a political debate - agianst tbhp rules. let's stop right here.
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Anna Hazare = middle east

I think you lost sight of the fact that middle east guys are basically asking for a right to vote and Hazare (however laudable his goals) is saying openly that he can't get votes.

BTW this is sure to get into a political debate - agianst tbhp rules. let's stop right here.
I think he meant about the situation, not the causes.

Still this is saddening, and i believe someone mentioned something about throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Lets see how this works in a country which has had IT/ITeS as one the core areas responsible for overall development/influx of jobs/money.
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I have airtel connection at my home, peer 2 peer applications like emule have not been functioning properly over the past 3 months, I could connect but when I try to search nothing gets displayed.

Was this blocked much earlier?
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I think he meant about the situation, not the causes.

Still this is saddening, and i believe someone mentioned something about throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Lets see how this works in a country which has had IT/ITeS as one the core areas responsible for overall development/influx of jobs/money.

Well save for the first line, the whole post was a rant about Hazare, Ramdev and what not - totally , though I'm sympathetic to his feelings about these issues.

sgiitk sir said the stuff about the baby and the bath water.


IT/ITeS is something that developed in the country in spite of the govt. - why would you expect them to care about the industry.

And in case they have proven time and again that even when they do care about the issues they have no clue what they are doing - I mean even in matters of politics - we have a flash "bandh" call in Hyderabad today because all parties are doing BS over a decades old issue for decades now (I don't support either of the sides on this - I just want to live peacefully and not have my work/life disrupted every so often - had to postpone my travel plans for today at the last moment, lost Rs. 3k as a result - hence the rant).

What I have observed over the years is that when we think govt. is trying something with malicious intent, we usually give them too much credit. these jokers are so incompetent they can not even achieve anything in malice.
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Anna Hazare = middle east

I think you lost sight of the fact that middle east guys are basically asking for a right to vote and Hazare (however laudable his goals) is saying openly that he can't get votes.
BTW this is sure to get into a political debate - agianst tbhp rules. let's stop right here.
NO it is not a political debate and do not try to stop discussion giving it political color. Read and re-read several times until you understand what is written.
I am talking about the method used and not the cause for which it was used,

Today there is a mobilization of masses for one cause using social media and internet , Tomorrow it can be any other cause for any other political ideology. And IMHO this is what prompts establishment to gag internet be it in one party china or multi party India.

Either there is some problem with your comprehension or a simple problem of jaundiced view.

EDIT : Example of Radia tapes ( or may be Sanjay Dutt - Choota Shakeel tapes few years back) are just examples of how supposed to be free print media and TV self censor things but social networks uncovers these kind of stuff due to it's viral nature.

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