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Old 22nd August 2011, 10:35   #2191
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Sankar, since you are new to a dog, please be wary of ticks and fleas. It is very easy for him to pick these parasites up when you take him out. They exist everywhere in the dry soil, grass, etc and can be a real pain to handle once they get into the house and/or multiply by breeding. Ticks are extremely nasty and not just bloodsuckers. They spread a fatal disease called Tick fever, apart from many other doggy diseases.

Don't trust any powder, soap or shampoo to work on them. They take a long time to go. In fact, don't even wait for the ticks to come. Use this product called K9 Advantix from Bayer. It is a preventive repellant and costs 350 per tube. You just need to apply this liquid on the skin from neck to tail when the dog is standing. After application, no bath should be given for 4-5 days. After this. no parasites will be able to latch onto him for 30-40 days, Yes! not a single one will come near him. Complete protection guaranteed! Continue application once in 40-45 days and you forget that there is a parasite by the name "Tick"

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P.S - there is an alternate product from Cipla called Protector, slightly cheaper but the protection is only for 20-25 days.

Usual dosage is to empty out the entire tube of 10ml and recommendation is to use it on puppies older than 7 weeks. But you can consult your vet on when you can start off with this, depending on how old he will be when you bring him home

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Old 22nd August 2011, 16:07   #2192
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Is this available in shops at the price point you mentioned? I tried internet and it shows up as import in most sites with insane prices (4.4K for a 4 month supply). It will be great to have it. I am now relying on Erina shampoo for the ticks and fleas. It is effective for up to one week.
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Is this available in shops at the price point you mentioned? I tried internet and it shows up as import in most sites with insane prices (4.4K for a 4 month supply). It will be great to have it. I am now relying on Erina shampoo for the ticks and fleas. It is effective for up to one week.
Definitely available here. Don't use that site for price/availability reference. I think that is the american site.

Ask any of the bigger pet shops for this, even vets stock it. I bargain with my wholesaler pet shop and get it at 350 a tube. If Advantix is not available, at least Cipla's protector should be there.
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Don't trust any powder, soap or shampoo to work on them. They take a long time to go. In fact, don't even wait for the ticks to come. Use this product called K9 Advantix from Bayer. It is a preventive repellant and costs 350 per tube. You just need to apply this liquid on the skin from neck to tail when the dog is standing. After application, no bath should be given for 4-5 days. After this. no parasites will be able to latch onto him for 30-40 days, Yes! not a single one will come near him. Complete protection guaranteed! Continue application once in 40-45 days and you forget that there is a parasite by the name "Tick"
Nice! Will buy this, i have seen this before but never gave it much thought as i didn't know it was this effective.

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Is this available in shops at the price point you mentioned? I tried internet and it shows up as import in most sites with insane prices (4.4K for a 4 month supply). It will be great to have it. I am now relying on Erina shampoo for the ticks and fleas. It is effective for up to one week.
Hari, check this place. I'm planning to buy it from there.

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Sankar, what kartik mentioned about the tick problem is true. I was aware of similar products like advantix and protector, when I was searching for my dog. But, in some forums, there was a mention about severe skin rashes and falling of hair, which caused me to stay away from those. The reason suggested was the use of hazardous chemicals and pesticides in small quantities in those products. (I was convinced in the chemical part). I don't need my dog to suffer if some thing happened like that. Therapeutically, use of such chemicals are justified even in human treatment, but, atleast humans can talk.
I use shampoos from Himalaya vet division named Erina Coat cleanser & Erina EP alternatively, right from his puppy hood till date. We give him a bath once in three days, followed by drying in open air & finished by drying by a blower. He doesn't have any ticks or any major parasitical infestations. Even though we use this shampoo, we make sure that, the shampoo is washed off properly by clean water. It takes around 45 mins for the whole process.
Giving bath to a pup is a tricky affair. You should be extra careful. I used to give him a bath once in 2 weeks during his puppy hood using luke warm water till he reached 3 months of age. I was being laughed at by my friends when they saw me bathing my pup with luke warm water. But who cares. This part will differ from owner to owner. But I warn you, dogs hate warm water.
Regarding supplements there is a product called Nutrich Tab (Virbac) & pet tab (pfizer i believe). Both products are good. I have used both alternatively till he reached 1.5 years. Even though, there is calcium and Vitamin D3 in those products, I used separate calcium supplementation like osteo cal and all till he attained 1 year of age. Consult your vet regarding same.
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I use shampoos from Himalaya vet division named Erina Coat cleanser & Erina EP alternatively, right from his puppy hood till date.
It takes around 45 mins for the whole process.
I am using also Erina EP for the same purpose. The flea-ticks stay away for 2 weeks. I am not sure about the bath every 3-4 days. I was advised against it as the coat on the dog is a bit thick and excess water and moisture can lead to fungal infections.

Taking about hot water, rocky loves hot water to drink on cold day breaks, especially in December-Jan. If you give him cold water, you get a look from him that will make you give him hot water for the rest of your life. (He will just lick it, shake his head in dis-agreement and walk away )
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I am using also Erina EP for the same purpose. The flea-ticks stay away for 2 weeks. I am not sure about the bath every 3-4 days. I was advised against it as the coat on the dog is a bit thick and excess water and moisture can lead to fungal infections.

Taking about hot water, rocky loves hot water to drink on cold day breaks, especially in December-Jan. If you give him cold water, you get a look from him that will make you give him hot water for the rest of your life. (He will just lick it, shake his head in dis-agreement and walk away )
Yes 999, that is why I take (oops sorry, my wife takes) extra care in drying him up. The 3 days interval is applicable only in summer. On cold rainy season, the gap will vary from a week to 10 days.
Rooney doesn't like hot water to drink, but he insists on hot to warm milk. We will get a look like you mentioned if we serve him cold milk.
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I was aware of similar products like advantix and protector, when I was searching for my dog. But, in some forums, there was a mention about severe skin rashes and falling of hair, which caused me to stay away from those. The reason suggested was the use of hazardous chemicals and pesticides in small quantities in those products. (I was convinced in the chemical part). I don't need my dog to suffer if some thing happened like that. Therapeutically, use of such chemicals are justified even in human treatment, but, atleast humans can talk.
While I understand your concern as a pet owner, I beg to differ here. The incidence of allergy in Advantix-protected dogs is far too less when compared to the large scale of pet dogs using this product successfully. Had it really contained deadly chemicals/pesticides, it would not have been launched in the market at all. You can trust an organization like Bayer to test such a product thoroughly before bringing it in the market, especially a stringent one like the American market where owners can sue the company for thousands, if not millions of $, if something drastic happens.

Such internet forum reports are certainly not a reason to avoid going for Advantix, unless you have tried the product yourself and your dog actually faced an allergy. In that case, further applications can be done with rival brands' products where the formulation is different. No offense meant @drdeepudev, all said in the interest of our best friends

90% of the show dogs I know here are protected by K9 Advantix, and I am yet to hear of one being affected by any allergic reactions to this product, whatsoever.

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+1 this is 100% true. Dogs must never be bathed in hot water. Cold (room temp) water is fine on a sunny, hot day; but using room temperature water on a cloudy/rainy day is almost certainly asking for trouble (falling sick). Luke warm water is the best way. @Sankar - See if you can get a hand shower, that is really convenient for you, 1 hand for scrubbing the shampoo, 1 hand to direct the water jet

Btw, I am not too sure on the once in 3 days bath. The shampoo would wash away the essential oils in his/her coat and would lead to dry, flaky skin sooner or later. Once a fortnight bath is fine in my opinion. For daily use, you can use moist wet wipes (for dogs) for a rub down his coat, combined with brushing. That would keep him smelling fresh and remove any dirt.

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Guys,

Quoting my earlier post -
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifti...ml#post2407181 (Team-BHPians and their Pets), I need advice from you all.

My 3 kittens have become pure non-vegetarians - they take only Whiskas (dry and wet/paste-like food) and boiled egg. Also, they take a li'l bit of milk. I am trying hard to change them atleast partly into vegetarians - but in vain.

I am planning to grow them as a roam-around/home cats and not as a pure home-cats once they are quite old enough to roam around and come back home. I understand that cats should not be grown as pure-veggies, but to be frank, feeding them with Whiskas daily is becoming costly. Your suggestions are most welcome.

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While I understand your concern as a pet owner, I beg to differ here. The incidence of allergy in Advantix-protected dogs is far too less when compared to the large scale of pet dogs using this product successfully. Had it really contained deadly chemicals/pesticides, it would not have been launched in the market at all. You can trust an organization like Bayer to test such a product thoroughly before bringing it in the market, especially a stringent one like the American market where owners can sue the company for thousands, if not millions of $, if something drastic happens.


Btw, I am not too sure on the once in 3 days bath. The shampoo would wash away the essential oils in his/her coat and would lead to dry, flaky skin sooner or later. Once a fortnight bath is fine in my opinion. For daily use, you can use moist wet wipes (for dogs) for a rub down his coat, combined with brushing. That would keep him smelling fresh and remove any dirt.
Karthikk, I was not convinced with such products. I was just putting up my concern. It is up to the individual owners to decide upon. There was an incident which changed my attitude towards even packed dog foods. While he was around 4 months, we started him pedigree puppy. It went on well for around 6 days. From 7th day onwards he started greenish diarrhoea. Later on it was mixed with mucus and blood. He was rushed to the vet on the point of collapse. Medication was started and he took around 10 days to recover.
My vet pointed out that pedigree was the culprit and he cannot tolerate it. (No offence meant to owners who use pedigree dog food, I know it is a great product, but my lab cannot tolerate it).
He was well tolerable to 'brit' dog food. But the trauma, the whole family went through was immense. My mom used to cry seeing him in that pathetic state. There on wards we decided against packed dog food. Regarding shampoo, we once randomly purchased a shampoo,(don't remember the brand) which caused him to loose hair and his skin itch. Due to this, I just use Erina shampoo regularly.
Karthik, no offence meant, these all thought process made me think against those products. Personally, I am not against advantix or protector. It was just my concern. More over I don't feel my dog has a tick problem.

That will noted Karthik. thanks. I have heard about this issue. For regular bath, the quantity of shampoo used is very less. But here after I will restrict the use of shampoo fortnightly. For moist wet wipes I think I should search the internet. Can you point me to a good source. We are brushing him regularly which keeps his coat smooth and clean.

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My 3 kittens have become pure non-vegetarians - they take only Whiskas (dry and wet/paste-like food) and boiled egg. Also, they take a li'l bit of milk. I am trying hard to change them atleast partly into vegetarians - but in vain.

I am planning to grow them as a roam-around/home cats and not as a pure home-cats once they are quite old enough to roam around and come back home. I understand that cats should not be grown as pure-veggies, but to be frank, feeding them with Whiskas daily is becoming costly. Your suggestions are most welcome.

Too late!! If you had told me I would have warned you. Never feed a cat anything but home food the first month or two until you are sure they have adapted to the food. Then make modern cat foods a once a day treat at night so they cant bother you until tomorrow. Else they will pester you for breakfast, lunch, evening snack and dinner for the cat food only.

The other thing is that these cats are clever at winning the patience/sympathy game. Keep them hungry for a day or two and they will quietly dig into the milk+rice combo meals. But its going to be hard to starve kittens - Unless you are a ruthless cold hearted individual you are stuck and doomed into being blackmailed by them for the rest of your life!!

Round 1 : Cats 1 Vijay 0

Letting them roam is a good idea! Let them face the world and learn to climb trees, chase birds, lizards, mice etc and also practice their winning ways with the neighbours.

Closer to home, the damn cat has not shown its face at my home after biting me last Friday. I was confident all these days I could observe it to check for any signs of rabies now after a 3 day disappearance I got paranoid especially given its cranky behaviour combined with a savagely aggressive look in the eyes even as it demanded food while falling all over my feet while rubbing against me.

So when I went to check out the Janmashtami celebrations at Chinmaya Mission, i stepped into CMH hospital emergency ward for advice from a doc whom I consulted last and whom I trust for having done specialisation in rabies in his medical school.

Since 3 days had passed, I had to take half a rabies immunoglobin shot directly on the wound with a big needle poking through the yet to be healed bruise, with the other half on my butt. The other mallu nurse was very pretty but sadly she did not hold my hand even though I screamed extra loud. Before that I was administered a test dose of the ready made antibodies and had to wait 30 mins for symptoms of reaction. Also took a regular Rabipur vaccine booster shot (to be repeated on the 25th). Only Two, as I already took rabies vaccine in 2008 for a certified rabies infected bite. (That's a story I will make a seperate post about some day as I really admire the pup that nicked me!!)

The damn readymade rabies antibodies costs 7000/- for a human tissue culture developed version and 425/- for a equine version. Moreover the doctor told me I would have to take 5 shots of the human version costing me a total of 35K!! I took the equine one. I did not want to sound very interrogative as the doc looked extremely overworked and busy in the emergency ward, hence did not ask why the equine version needs only one shot.

Just got back home after the long wait to find a gap in which to complete my day's treatment, between a stream of emergency patients. Instead of two hours spent enjoying the celebration crowd, contemplating Lord Krishna and the beauty of Indian civilzational thought, since 9pm, I spent only 10 minutes at the temple and the rest at the hospital.

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Do not raise cats as vegetarians - see this post for details

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifti...ml#post2408078 (Team-BHPians and their Pets)

Just get some small fish (cheap fish sold at Rs10-20 kg) - boil them with turmeric, and blend with small amount of rice. That should take care of a cat's diet. Whiskas / Purina / fancy feast should be reserved for treats.
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Karthikk, I was not convinced with such products. I was just putting up my concern. It is up to the individual owners to decide upon. There was an incident which changed my attitude towards even packed dog foods. While he was around 4 months, we started him pedigree puppy. It went on well for around 6 days. From 7th day onwards he started greenish diarrhoea. Later on it was mixed with mucus and blood. He was rushed to the vet on the point of collapse. Medication was started and he took around 10 days to recover.
My vet pointed out that pedigree was the culprit and he cannot tolerate it. (No offence meant to owners who use pedigree dog food, I know it is a great product, but my lab cannot tolerate it). He was well tolerable to 'brit' dog food.
Really sorry to hear about this happening to your dog. Pedigree has quite a few instances of food poisoning, this was one of the reasons I was telling Sankar to stay away from it in one of my previous posts. Even dogs seasoned on pedigree complain of stray instances of food poisoning after years! Seems to suggest something is wrong in the manufacturing process rather than cases of allergy (this is what pedigree says to defend itself). RC and science plan are fantastic.

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Regarding shampoo, we once randomly purchased a shampoo,(don't remember the brand) which caused him to loose hair and his skin itch. Due to this, I just use Erina shampoo regularly.
Karthik, no offence meant, these all thought process made me think against those products. Personally, I am not against advantix or protector. It was just my concern. More over I don't feel my dog has a tick problem.
no offense taken, all in the best interest of our canine buddies Erina has good reviews. Himalaya has some good products, even their anti-tick powder is supposed to work well, with a pleasant odour and zero danger of poisoning in case the dog accidentally licks.

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That will noted Karthik. thanks. I have heard about this issue. For regular bath, the quantity of shampoo used is very less. But here after I will restrict the use of shampoo fortnightly. For moist wet wipes I think I should search the internet. Can you point me to a good source. We are brushing him regularly which keeps his coat smooth and clean.
You're welcome. Try using a conditioner, that won't wash away the oils but will bring out a good shine on the coat. there is an oatmeal + aloe vera conditioner I use, the brand would be OatCoat if I'm not wrong. There are some wonderful coat conditioning products out there, I used to use them only before dog shows. Problem is they are really expensive for regular maintenance use, around 2k a bottle

For the wet wipes, I think the brand is "Companion". I'm at office currently, will check the exact brand name and let you know when I get home. The tissues are moistened and can even be microwaved before wiping down. About 30 pulls in a pack and it costs 200 bucks. At 1 pull a day, that should last you a month if your dog is a small one. I use 2 of these wipes along with brushing daily. No more doggy smell at home or any such thing! He/she'll smell even more pleasant than people! *LoL* My golden gets a water-only bath in a fortnight, and the conditioner is applied every alternate fortnight.

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Guys, For all who are worried about chemicals in tick and flea control stuff, can go with natural treatment with natural oils like lavender,citronella, lemongrass and eucaliptus. Mix 14 drops of pure lavender oil mixed with 8 drops of citronella and 6 drops of lemongrass oils in 200 ml of water and spray it on the dog every day for 2 weeks. Tick and fleas will not infest with these oils available on the dog's skin. I have personally tested this and is working well.
Euclayptus can be used as a perfume when you wash the mats/clothes/beds that belongs to the pet.
Certain other things we observed are
1) Brittania Ragi biscuts are a good vitamin supplement for dogs with hair loss (RAGI has B12 which aids hair growth)
2) Wash the dog every 2 weeks alternating between any anti itch shampoo (BEFAR for example) and normal dog shampoo (Himalaya naturals)
3) Vaccum clean the surroundings very well if fleas are a problem (You will need a powerful vaccum cleaner as fleas stick very well to remote corners of the house)
4) DO NOT ALLOW socializing with other strange dogs/pets. This is the foremost cause for fleas in most cases. COW DUNG is a big culprit

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KITTENS FOR ADOPTION!!

Hey guys, Our cat has given birth to 3 adorable kittens on our neighbor's terrace, They are about a month and a half old and they look pretty healthy and happy, Now that they are able to jump around and venture out, it is risky because of the street dogs trying to chase them and kill them. Yes, dogs become very ferocious when they see cats.

I am giving them away so that they get the love of the humans and stay in a safer and a warmer place.

I stay in Bangalore(Vijaynagar) and i would love to give them away to safe hands.

I am not sure of the sexes, but if you are really interested i will confirm and let you know ASAP, photos will be sent too.

One is a white and grey in color, the second one is dark brown and the third one is grey.
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