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Old 9th July 2008, 00:53   #646
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Studies have shown this method to be more effective at burning fat and maintaining, or building, muscle mass than high-volume, lower intensity aerobic work-outs.
The muscle mass they're talking about is diff. A regular out of shape guy will surely see a slight improvement in muscle tone/mass/definition.

But i'm talking about people who do serious bodybuilding. When you build muscles beyond a certain level, these things can have a catabolic effect on your body.

If HIIT was the secret to muscle mass, every bodybuilder would be doing it. But they don't.

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Hey guys I was reading some arnold PDF on the net and in that it was mentioned that we should stop intake of carbohydrates completely. Our body uses carbohydrates as source of energy when we do any work outs and store fats in our body as reserved source of energy. So if the body doesnt have carbohyrates to burn it will use the reserved fats as a source of enery and we will loose weight automatically. So our diet is also important if we want to loose weight. We should cut down on carbs and starch.
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Hey guys I was reading some arnold PDF on the net and in that it was mentioned that we should stop intake of carbohydrates completely. Our body uses carbohydrates as source of energy when we do any work outs and store fats in our body as reserved source of energy. So if the body doesnt have carbohyrates to burn it will use the reserved fats as a source of enery and we will loose weight automatically. So our diet is also important if we want to loose weight. We should cut down on carbs and starch.
Yup, you need to be on a high protein diet but carbs shouldn't be neglected completely. Carbs provide energy to the body which means that when you aren't working out, carbs can be very useful in keeping up your matabolic rate.

Thats why, even protein supplements have a certain amount of carbs in them.

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So if the body doesnt have carbohyrates to burn it will use the reserved fats as a source of enery and we will loose weight automatically. So our diet is also important if we want to loose weight.
Not entirely true... our body will dig into muscle and burn it for energy rather than burn fat.

Fat - First in (absorbed), Last out (Burnt)

What is true is that a balanced diet is important
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Yup, you need to be on a high protein diet but carbs shouldn't be neglected completely. Carbs provide energy to the body which means that when you aren't working out, carbs can be very useful in keeping up your matabolic rate.

Thats why, even protein supplements have a certain amount of carbs in them.

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Me too thinking of buying a protein supplement. I am 6.2 inch tall with average muscles which protein supplement will be good for muscle gain?????
Do protein supplements result in weight gain or help weight loss?????
If there is any protein supplements which result in weight loss please recommend.
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You can have high protein foods instead. Its much better to get your nutrients from food rather than from supplements.
If you are taking supplements take the following precautions
1. Don't exceed the dosage. Excess protein will lead to calcium loss, and cause your kidneys and lever to overwork. Of course you will notice this only after 40
2. Cretin can get accumulated in kidneys, so its necessary to drink a lot of water.

Moreover many of these supplements are imported. Make sure that the brand you use has FDA clearance.

you will find posts in this thread which read like
"I have been having protein supplements but nothing has happened to me".
But remember Not all obese people have diabetes
Not all Smokers get cancer, right?

So before you start any supplement regimen, make sure that your intake does not exceed the maximum safe limit, and consult a doctor or a dietitian. A supplement maker won't tell you that the supplement is harmful, right?
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You can have high protein foods instead. Its much better to get your nutrients from food rather than from supplements.
If you are taking supplements take the following precautions
1. Don't exceed the dosage. Excess protein will lead to calcium loss, and cause your kidneys and lever to overwork. Of course you will notice this only after 40
2. Cretin can get accumulated in kidneys, so its necessary to drink a lot of water.

Moreover many of these supplements are imported. Make sure that the brand you use has FDA clearance.

you will find posts in this thread which read like
"I have been having protein supplements but nothing has happened to me".
But remember Not all obese people have diabetes
Not all Smokers get cancer, right?

So before you start any supplement regimen, make sure that your intake does not exceed the maximum safe limit, and consult a doctor or a dietitian. A supplement maker won't tell you that the supplement is harmful, right?
How do we come to know how much amount to be taken? Is it written on the packet????
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Guys, Im 6ft3in. I was 106 a month back and now with a lot of effort, I am 102. I lost about 1 1/2 inches around my waist too. My target is to come down to 95 atleast.

I do some walking\running (5 times a week) and some weights (4 times a week) and most of all keep a real close watch on my food intake. I eat very small amounts of carbs, lots of protein and negligible amount of fat. Lots of fruits and vegetables. No snacks either. Lots of water too.

I need to loose about 7 kgs more. This is where I need help. The prob is, getting below 101 is proving to be very tough. The weight is always between 101.3 to 103. What do I do?
  1. Increase excersise?
  2. Reduce food intake (almost impossible, I eat barely enough to pull through the day)
  3. Eating a different kind of food. (what kind? I eat a lot of veggies and fruits, moderate amount of protein, and hardly any fat)
  4. Any supplements? Fat burners?
  5. Black tea?
  6. Hot water?
  7. Or continue the same for 2 weeks and then take it from there?
HELP.

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@Proxima.

Exact same thing with me.
I am about 5 10 or somthing and on My 15 2008 when I started working out after almost 5 years my weight was 102.6
Now I am two inches down.
But my weight is stuck in the 100.4 and 100.6 range.
I am lifting better and keeping a good check on what I eat.
But its kind off stuck.


However the flabbiness is reducing.
My Shirts fit better, just had to buy two news jeans cos the old ones when tooo loose.

Work out routine is about an hour every week day on the tread mill, cycle and stepper and some weights.
Loving it but cannot figure out why the weight is not going.
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How do we come to know how much amount to be taken? Is it written on the packet????
It depends on body weight, and your workout regime etc.,
For your 6'2" frame with moderate exercise it would be around 60-70gms maximum total protein/day
Anything more is not going to help and will be excreted out of your body, and this leads to kidneys and liver overworking.

@Proxima, walking and all is not going to help up.
You need to do exersise which gets your hear rate up.
So sprint. Even if you are sprinting for 30 seconds, it will make you sweat, and your hear rate will go up. I presume you are below 30, if not check with your doctor about your resting Blood Pressure etc., etc., before taking vigorous exersise.
As for Food, eat home cooked food, and stop eating outside.
Try cooking in as little oil as possible.
for example Lentils/chicken etc., can be easily cooked without any oil. Ditto for vegetables.

Slightly increase your spice intake. Spices will take your resting metabolic rate up.
I was not losing weight at all inspite of brisk walking on treadmill and some stationary cycle every day.
I had the option of cutting down food, but being a major foodie I knew its was a lost battle.
Now I'm doing less weights and spend time sprinting and brisk cycling.
I run till my stomach aches. Within two weeks I have experienced inchloss, but weightloss is negligible. I think its because muscle mass is increases because I still do some weights.
It feels good to fit in old clothes.
I used to be 105kgs at my peak. Slight dieting made me 100kg, and now I am 94kg. My target is 4kgs reduction more. Muscles weigh more anyways, so I plan to measure fitness with inchloss rather than weightloss.
At 6.2" with decent muscle I should weigh around 90-95.
Another thing which is very difficult to do is to reduce waist size. I have lot fat from all parts of my body except from the stomach area. I think I will have to start doing ab crunches. Running has helped quite a bit, but its abs which will take me the last mile.

I occasionally eat out, and indulge in Ice cream(I love cornetto and have it atleast twice a week). Add to that eating out twice a week. Still I have managed weight loss, all thanks to high intensity workout. I am a big Aloo Parontha fan too.

Moreover now my BP remains in control, and my cholestrol level has also gone low(can you imagine I had high cholestrol, near limit of 200 at 26 years of age). It wasn't above limit, but near the top limit, which is not a good thing.
Occasionally I used to get high BP also.

Another thing you can try is Pranayam if you know a good Yoga instructor. It increases metabolic rate. I get bored with Yoga, esp since I am not flexible and I am very lazy when it comes to such exercises. But if you are okay with it you can add 5 minutes of Yoga to your routine.

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@Proxima.

Exact same thing with me.
I am about 5 10 or somthing and on My 15 2008 when I started working out after almost 5 years my weight was 102.6
Now I am two inches down.
But my weight is stuck in the 100.4 and 100.6 range.
I am lifting better and keeping a good check on what I eat.
But its kind off stuck.


However the flabbiness is reducing.
My Shirts fit better, just had to buy two news jeans cos the old ones when tooo loose.

Work out routine is about an hour every week day on the tread mill, cycle and stepper and some weights.
Loving it but cannot figure out why the weight is not going.
Have you tried any of the numbered points in my post, bblost?
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Have you tried any of the numbered points in my post, bblost?

only #1 and #7.

I am trying to keep the cycle at a constant speed of 13 -+1.
Tread mill between 5 and 6 with the incline between 0->4->8->4->0.

At the end the cycle reads about 100 cals burnt and the tread mill about 300.
Also about a 100 cals burnt on the stepper in 800 steps.

Food I dont take snacks and maybe I will now start with more water pref consume more hot water.

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It depends on body weight, and your workout regime etc.,
For your 6'2" frame with moderate exercise it would be around 60-70gms maximum total protein/day
Anything more is not going to help and will be excreted out of your body, and this leads to kidneys and liver overworking.
Thanks TSK !!! How do you have so much knowledge about all this???? Which brand protein supplement is good for muscle growth and weight loss???
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I come from a family of doctors.Wife is a dentist, My father is a kidney specialist practicing for 30 years+. Mothers also a doctor, and so is by bro. Myself an engineer so an odd one out
Thats why I stay away from all supplements. Occasionally I take multiVitamin supplements, but its rare and occasional.
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@Proxima.

Exact same thing with me.
I am about 5 10 or somthing and on My 15 2008 when I started working out after almost 5 years my weight was 102.6
Now I am two inches down.
But my weight is stuck in the 100.4 and 100.6 range.
I am lifting better and keeping a good check on what I eat.
But its kind off stuck.
don't worry about it if you feel good, energetic and your fat %age is better. A lot of people gain weight after losing fat because the fat they lose is very low in weight compared to the weight of the muscle they gain.
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