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Old 9th February 2016, 12:54   #406
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I wonder how a violation may be detected.
And what are the means available to log such issues.
Very easy, I have explained it before.

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If net neutrality is made as the law, it can be easily enforced via auditing. Not by engineers, by plain accountants. You can't make an agreement that violates any law. Without legal agreements, there is no money exchange, no point favoring one website over other. This is what is scaring ISPs and large websites like FB to no end. That is why they are resorting to sneaky ways to block net neutrality law at any cost.
Airtel can't favour FB without agreements that explain the business transactions, which will be seen by auditors, who will raise objection to illegal deal.

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Very easy, I have explained it before.

If net neutrality is made as the law, it can be easily enforced via auditing. Not by engineers, by plain accountants. You can't make an agreement that violates any law. Without legal agreements, there is no money exchange, no point favoring one website over other. This is what is scaring ISPs and large websites like FB to no end. That is why they are resorting to sneaky ways to block net neutrality law at any cost.

Airtel can't favour FB without agreements that explain the business transactions, which will be seen by auditors, who will raise objection to illegal deal.
Yes this would be possible. But then FB will not be able to utilize Airtel platform for even advertising itself. Because advertising will cause a money flow from FB to Airtel. I hope the honorable regulatory bodies have not snatched away even this right of advertising and promotions?
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Yes this would be possible. But then FB will not be able to utilize Airtel platform for even advertising itself. Because advertising will cause a money flow from FB to Airtel.
That is not a problem. FB can pay Airtel for ADs, it will be invoiced accordingly. But Airtel won't be able to give free services to customers, restricting it to only FB websites. FB and Airtel can have any kind of business transactions as long as they don't break the law.
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While we have been looking at Airtel and Reliance, wont the URL based plans of BSNL violate the net neutrality ?

http://www.bsnl.in/opencms/bsnl/BSNL...ata_plans.html
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While we have been looking at Airtel and Reliance, wont the URL based plans of BSNL violate the net neutrality ?

http://www.bsnl.in/opencms/bsnl/BSNL...ata_plans.html
In spirit it does. But practically- user still pays for FB/watsapp access and he understands these are the only sites allowed for the tariff he is paying. If BSNL ties up with FB and makes fb/watsapp free then it is a clear violation.
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In spirit it does. But practically- user still pays for FB/watsapp access and he understands these are the only sites allowed for the tariff he is paying. If BSNL ties up with FB and makes fb/watsapp free then it is a clear violation.
Nope, its a violation because its discriminatory pricing. I guess BSNL is slow to make changed. Imagine a 400kg guy lying on the left side. Suddenly lying on the left is illegal. BSNL is that guy. It will take a few days for him to turn to the right.
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What about the various movies/music etc available for free if we take Airtel 4G or Reliance JIO etc?

Of course I will have to read the fine print, because they can easily say that the content (IP) is being made available for free, but the data (KB/MB/GB) is charged as per the tariff. But is that the case?
Anyone here on Airtel 4G?
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Now, Airtel wants to reduce post FUP speed to 64kbps because "users misuse minimum broadband speed facility"

http://www.in.techradar.com/news/int...w/51008350.cms
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Now, Airtel wants to reduce post FUP speed to 64kbps because "users misuse minimum broadband speed facility"

http://www.in.techradar.com/news/int...w/51008350.cms



You've got to wonder if airtel has "management", or an angry ex at the helm!

I support airtel in this. Please do this. It'll be lovely for you to lose some money so that you do not have an advertising budget, at the least!
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Now, Airtel wants to reduce post FUP speed to 64kbps because "users misuse minimum broadband speed facility"...
I think, by (TRAI's?) definition, broadband = 256 kbps minimum. Some years back, this was the reason all of them (ISPs) started offering at least that much, upgrading from 128 kbps. So I doubt, Airtel can go back to 64 kbps.
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Now, Airtel wants to reduce post FUP speed to 64kbps because "users misuse minimum broadband speed facility"

http://www.in.techradar.com/news/int...w/51008350.cms
Cannot believe that Airtel even suggested this. It is utter crap. See any half decent country and half decent ISP - they will never do this. Airtel can try - people would just jump ship. However, they may try to make a cartel and then we might have a problem.
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I think, by (TRAI's?) definition, broadband = 256 kbps minimum.
Guess that's what they want changed now, to 64 kbps. They sure try all means to rub their customers the wrong way.
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Airtel is like that wronged mistress who has an axe to grind with everyone in their path. What they do not realize is that they are in a free market where market forces decide things and not some hegemonic operator. They should have learnt that by now. Unfortunately they did not. The world over the unlimited plans are either truly unlimited or work on FUP basis where the minimum defined speed for broadband is maintained. Suggesting that either stop broadband accesses completely or move them to dial up speeds is stupid. Particularly where government is talking of a Digital India.

Airtel, with every such stupid utterance of yours you are just loosing some more spooked customers and of course people like me who were not on airtel because of their past experience and with an outlook this bad from Airtel probably will never ever go to them in future either.
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Are they really serious on the 64Kbps or 0Kbps? Are they going back to the cave era, especially when cable provides more than 1Mbps post FUP. Its high time these people exit the ISP and telecom sector.
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Can someone explain the implications of this exemption by TRAI for intranet traffic?
How it can, if at all, impact the net?
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