Go Back   Team-BHP > Around the Corner > Shifting gears


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 19th February 2016, 12:22   #421
Team-BHP Support
 
tsk1979's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 22,952
Thanked: 15,632 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zappo View Post
Airtel is like that wronged mistress who has an axe to grind with everyone in their path. What they do not realize is that they are in a free market where market forces decide things and not some hegemonic operator. They should have learnt that by now. Unfortunately they did not. .
"Unfortunately" for us. Barring pockets in a few cities, Airtel has only one competition - BSNL. So they know they can get away with offering good Tariff packages just in one or two cities.
Unless there is fiber penetration across the country with multiple operators in fray, Airtel is going to go the Comcast way. Call it the unfree free market where there is a choice, but only of one.
tsk1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th February 2016, 12:42   #422
Senior - BHPian
 
Gansan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chennai
Posts: 3,425
Thanked: 870 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

They are not even offering uniform package across one city. In Chennai they are offering a competitive pack in areas covered by ACT, and higher priced packs in areas not reached by them.
Gansan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th March 2016, 10:55   #423
Team-BHP Support
 
Samurai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: B'lore-Manipal
Posts: 22,351
Thanked: 14,178 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

While India wisely rejected free basics, some countries like Angola went for it.

And this is what has happened now: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wik...es-zero-rating
Samurai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th May 2016, 19:26   #424
Team-BHP Support
 
Samurai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: B'lore-Manipal
Posts: 22,351
Thanked: 14,178 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Here is the inside story of FB vs Indian citizens on Net Neutrality.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...dia-zuckerberg
Samurai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th May 2016, 11:15   #425
BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 172
Thanked: 67 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
“The pipes belong to the phone companies, and they pay the marketing costs of bringing new users online,” the former NASSCOM executive said. “So what exactly did Facebook bring here?”
Nice read. This sums it up well.

Last edited by Blue_V : 13th May 2016 at 11:24.
Blue_V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th May 2016, 13:59   #426
Team-BHP Support
 
noopster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 8,658
Thanked: 9,178 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

^^Actually I was appalled to learn that NASSCOM tried to support Free Basics by quietly slipping in an exception to their net neutrality stance after meeting with Facebook.

Makes me thankful for people like Pahwa and PayTM's Nitin Pai. And not the least, for the thousands of internet warriors who waged the battle on Facebook walls till we sat up and did something about it.
noopster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th May 2016, 14:20   #427
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,883
Thanked: 3,198 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
Originally Posted by noopster View Post
.....I was appalled to learn that NASSCOM tried to support Free Basics by quietly slipping in an exception to their net neutrality stance after meeting with Facebook.......
+1.

Everyone hates a tyrant, until they get to become one themselves.

I'm not shocked by Facebook's shenanigans, they're a for-profit business who'll go to whatever lengths possible, I'm more concerned about organisations like NASSCOMM that can secretly betray an entire nation's IT agenda the moment a carrot gets dangled.
Chetan_Rao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th May 2016, 14:22   #428
Team-BHP Support
 
noopster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 8,658
Thanked: 9,178 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

^^Absolutely. If anything the protagonists in the article seem to have no doubt that Zuckerberg's intentions were good.
noopster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th May 2016, 14:33   #429
Team-BHP Support
 
tsk1979's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 22,952
Thanked: 15,632 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
Originally Posted by noopster View Post
^^Absolutely. If anything the protagonists in the article seem to have no doubt that Zuckerberg's intentions were good.
For those who still wonder how can something like Free Basics be harmful.
http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-w...ser-1775461006

Imagine, a private corporation decides on the Internet what news you see and what you do not.

We have already seen this in Cable TV scenario. News channels critical of govt in some states have been taken off the local cable network.

Somebody, people think such cronyism is only possible with local cable operator, and big corporations are somehow pillars of justice and fairness. The road to hell is paved with good intentions I guess.
tsk1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th May 2016, 16:55   #430
Senior - BHPian
 
ninjatalli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: BOM
Posts: 1,597
Thanked: 1,166 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
Originally Posted by tsk1979 View Post

Imagine, a private corporation decides on the Internet what news you see and what you do not.
I'm not surprised at Facebook's actions, it's very common practice out here in the US. It's a open fact that the buzz on most (if not all) big news channels was meagre whenever Sanders won in a state, while Hillary used to get the full blitz every time she won.

Unfortunately the US news reporting model is highly skewed and used to selective reporting.
ninjatalli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th May 2016, 18:53   #431
BHPian
 
civic-sense's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 701
Thanked: 743 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
Originally Posted by tsk1979 View Post
For those who still wonder how can something like Free Basics be harmful.
http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-w...ser-1775461006
Ain't it funny that governments can take a service conceived and built by private parties and regulate it? It should not be a government's job to meddle with the market. After all, they did not build it.

As somebody said: "Governments take away your freedom to do something and then sell the same back to you as licence".
civic-sense is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 01:48   #432
BHPian
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: New Delhi
Posts: 133
Thanked: 151 Times
Default Return of SOPA..

SOPA is returning in form amendment to DMCA act ( Digital Millennium Copyright Act 1998). Music industry is lobbying US Congress to amend the fair use policy and insert take down stay down clause. According to this clause its duty of website to remove copyrighted material and the material should never surface again using sophisticated algorithms that automatically screens whatever user uploads and if it infringes on copyright it would be deleted and no one will be able to upload again it even if its legitimate. The music industry cites decline in revenue due to outdated DMCA act. The problem with this is Government across the world will twist Google to delete free speech.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/307...n-of-sopa.html

Last edited by FrozeninTime : 5th July 2016 at 01:55. Reason: to add links
FrozeninTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 10:24   #433
Team-BHP Support
 
Samurai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: B'lore-Manipal
Posts: 22,351
Thanked: 14,178 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Quote:
Originally Posted by civic-sense View Post
Ain't it funny that governments can take a service conceived and built by private parties and regulate it?
Not only it is not funny, but extremely essential in case of public utilities. Now Internet is a public utility that we are unable to live without. Let me give you an example which is quite common in India.

Let's say a Real estate company develops a 10 acre land into a locality. They divide it into numerous sites, build roads to access every site, and they run water pipes and sewage pipes on every roads to provide for every site. Then the company sells the sites to the buyers. All good so far.

Now, who owns the roads? According to you RE company should own it. After all, they never sold the roads or the water/sewage pipes to anybody. After everybody built their homes and start living here, company may decide to impose tolls on the roads they own. They can impose extra frees to use the water/sewage pipes. Hey, they owns the roads and the pipes, so it is their wish. Why should the government interfere?

Quote:
Originally Posted by civic-sense View Post
It should not be a government's job to meddle with the market. After all, they did not build it.
Think again.

Fortunately government does interfere and fixes the above problem. These days they don't even allow the RE company to sell the plots until the roads are tarred, water/sewage pipes are buried, and certain areas are reserved for parks and other common amenities. In fact, all the common areas and infrastructure (roads/pipes) become government property from day one.

Internet is the modern road.
Samurai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 11:16   #434
Senior - BHPian
 
mallumowgli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Palakkad/Coimbatore
Posts: 1,099
Thanked: 703 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

Free basics may make a back-door entry, as per this article

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-e...?homepage=true
mallumowgli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th July 2016, 12:16   #435
Team-BHP Support
 
Samurai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: B'lore-Manipal
Posts: 22,351
Thanked: 14,178 Times
Default Re: The fight for net neutrality is on! Time to reclaim the internet

And for those who are still concerned about the rights of private companies, here is a sobering thought. UN Human rights council just declared Internet as basic human right.

https://www.article19.org/data/files...nt_Adopted.pdf

The resolution was passed last Friday, but was opposed by countries including Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, and India. What a shameful company we are in...
Samurai is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

« The Cricket Thread | - »

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Time to reclaim my Life – 2012 Tata Safari Dicor (aka Beast) harishnayak Test-Drives & Initial Ownership Reports 24 2nd June 2013 08:42
'Reclaim your life' Safari is now bulletproof Recompose The Indian Car Scene 33 30th August 2011 21:40
Having gone out to Reclaim their Life, Men are Back! himanshugoswami Test-Drives & Initial Ownership Reports 53 13th July 2009 20:27
Time to reclaim my life !!! Taz-On-The-Road Route / Travel Queries 20 14th January 2009 14:47


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 07:21.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks