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Old 27th April 2015, 10:51   #16
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The Govt. response has simply been outstanding.

He remains a man of action and not of preaching and speeches.
Kudos to the PMO team!!
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Just though about sharing some Do's & Don'ts in situations like. People reading this might think that these are something against what has been told and reminded everytime, but these are the facts and practices given out by some of the World's best rescuers.
  • Earthquakes occur without notice. Remain calm.
  • Do not simply "duck and cover" when buildings collapse, people who get under light objects like desks are likely to get more injured.
  • You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it. Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the foetal position. You too should do that in case of an earthquake. It is a natural survival instinct.
  • If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed.
  • If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the foetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.
  • Do not get under a doorway when buildings collapse. If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above.
  • Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. (This point and the next point is a little debatable, because depending on whether you will be able to make a run for it or not, this point needs to be looked at)
  • Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs do not collapse, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.
  • Do not remain in vehicles parked close to / or under the structure as these may fall in an earthquake and crush the vehicles. Get out of the cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars can create voids 3 feet high next to them.

Remain calm and follow following basics.
  • Do not run.
  • Expect aftershocks
  • Check for injuries and fires
  • Inspect for floor damage
  • Do not use elevators
  • Listen to radio for latest update. Keep informed to discourage rumors.
  • Check for water leakage and electrical shorts

If evacuation is ordered, follow these guidelines:
  • Move quickly to safe refuge / assembly area. Keep at least 200 - 300 feet from building. Follow directions of the floor wardens
  • Watch for traffic in streets as drivers may be disorientated
  • Watch for cracks in the pavements, sidewalks, and streets
  • Do not attempt to retrieve your car or drive your vehicle until given the all-clear to enter the building again.
  • Cooperate will all public officials

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What Nepal has faced is a very tough situation. And old structures mostly would not sustain/survive earthquake.
Lets pray for the departed souls.
Already the localities are very densely populated. Add to that multistorey structures build without any thoughts or scientific study, etc. do play a major role in catastrophic damage.

I have faced earthquake ( the Gujarat earthquake ) and believe me, its not an easy experience to deal with.

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Tejas, the list is very scientific and exhaustive. But a lot of training is required to act in the manner mentioned in your post. Japan, to the best of my knowledge, does this sort of training.
Some health issues might crop up in many individuals ( I usually face dizziness ).
I had a rather bad experience when I wrote to admin dept in my job about lack of fire and earthquake exits. One should look for the same in places of work and also large malls, theaters.

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Now media is being stupid. Asking people in camps and airport about food and water, when they are not available even in Kathmandu. Of course if I am waiting for a day for transport I will be upset.

I must say, the states and centre are doing a fantastic job using Air as well as three road routes. As was made very clear by the Secy MEA the airlift is for sending in support, and on the way back the number of civilians is totally controlled by available space. Seems that the Railways have contributed 100,000 litres of drinking water, and the Delhi Gurudwara is sending in 25,000 food packets a day. Also, many volunteer organisations are now active. Such calamities require a totally non-denominational support and handling.

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Authorities in India should really use this as a wake-up call to take proactive measures in Eastern & Northeastern India, both from an education/training perspective and shoring up disaster mgmt. infrastructure.

It's no secret that building safety codes are rarely (if ever) adhered strictly to in our country and some of the most vulnerable areas (esp. along the Himalayan tectonic belt) are also the worst developed, building-quality wise.

We've already seen a horrifying sample of the kind of damage nature can inflict on bad engineering in the recent Kedarnath valley floods. I'll have to find the exact report in archives, but most respected geologists have long been of the opinion that the Himalayan region is due a MAJOR earthquake in the near future (in geological terms). I just shudder at the thought, given how shoddily some of the most densely populated areas right in the proverbial firing line are designed/built/maintained today.

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Well, running down 9 floors twice carrying my daughter and helping not so well parents was not fun.

There have been 500+ deaths in Nepal and some in India too. Wish all the injured a speedy recovery !
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Same here. Running down 6 floors carrying my daughter.
This is a bit of a tangent and I often have this argument with my wife - why try to run out when you are in a tall building? I mean, if a quake of this magnitude occurs anywhere near your city, the shaking will be so severe and sudden that getting out, taking the steps, making it to the ground floor and then to clear ground will be impossible.

I understand instinct but I think we need to think this through. I myself live on the eighth floor and I remember the builder telling me that the strongest concrete structure are the lift wells in the center of the building. From that beams radiate out to support the flats. So to my mind getting to near the center of the building is the wisest thing to do. In a violent temblor even making it that far will be an achievement.
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This is a bit of a tangent and I often have this argument with my wife - why try to run out when you are in a tall building? I mean, if a quake of this magnitude occurs anywhere near your city, the shaking will be so severe and sudden that getting out, taking the steps, making it to the ground floor and then to clear ground will be impossible.

I understand instinct but I think we need to think this through. I myself live on the eighth floor and I remember the builder telling me that the strongest concrete structure are the lift wells in the center of the building. From that beams radiate out to support the flats. So to my mind getting to near the center of the building is the wisest thing to do. In a violent temblor even making it that far will be an achievement.
That is right. However, one reason I see of getting off the building is that in case there are immediate aftershocks which are even more powerful, then it might be a better idea. However, try to be at the (relatively) safest point in your own home rather than fleeing through the stairs. You may consider evacuation when the shocks settle down. In fact, so many people running down the stairs will create a lot of vibrations adding to that of the quake - which can make the stairs a dangerous proposition as well. Calling on some Civil Engineers/ Safety engineers/ structural safety experts on the forum to take us from this point.
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Now the aftershock is again 6.6 with epicentre around Siliguri.

As for structures Civil Engineering works on a safety factor of 10. What is tricky are two things :

1. Bad foundations. Often under designed.

2. Stilt structure leading to an inverted pendulum structure. In a 9"x9" stilt the core is barely 4.5%, on the other had if it is say 9x18 it is quite safe.

I have been fortunate to know two eminent Civil Engineers specialising in quake resistant structures. Sidhir Jain (currently Director, IIT Gandhinagar) and CVR Murty (Director, IIT Jodhpur) closely. They were involved in the study of Chamoli, Bhuj and Andaman (Tsunami) damage.
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The aftershock that happened just a while ago. This time its near Siliguri and maybe due to the same tectonic plate involvement.

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In today's scenario, I see so many houses with ground floor parking and 3-4 floors on it within a very small span. There is one such building diagonally opposite my house and it was shaking so vigorously during quake that now we fear that if it falls, it might damage our house also. One such house in my city.

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However, try to be at the (relatively) safest point in your own home rather than fleeing through the stairs. You may consider evacuation when the shocks settle down.In fact, so many people running down the stairs will create a lot of vibrations adding to that of the quake - which can make the stairs a dangerous proposition as well.
Absolutely!

Since I stay on the top floor, we did panic and we rushed towards the stairs. It was utter chaos and people were running down to reach to the open area asap! Which might actually cause injuries.

When we felt the aftershock the next day, most of us stayed back and went down after it was over.

Our complex has 24 high rise towers each one with 23 floors, before possession civil engineers assured us that the complex is quake ready and each tower is designed to sway to certain degrees.
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May all those who lost their life RIP. Last i saw it was closing to the 4000 number. The next thing is to get rehabilitation of all the families and help them rebuild their life.

Folks be very cautious on the number of companies who crop up seeking donations. Every news channel will ask for it and its better to stay away from them. The PM relief fund is a better source of your funds.

Also the news on the massive quake which is due in this area is scary to say the least. Do not want to add more trauma for folks.

Glad the relief work is being done well. Hope this keeps up. We need more positive news in such times.

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Regarding contributions to the relief operations:

1) Where in Bangalore can we buy items like tarpaulins etc at a good price & of good quality. (to send)

2) Are there any collection points in Bangalore.

3) Who are the coordinating agencies to whom we can contribute ?
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