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Old 25th August 2006, 03:54   #1
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The trouble in Malaga flared last Wednesday as two British citizens in their 20s waited in the departure lounge to board the pre-dawn flight and were heard talking what passengers took to be Arabic. Worries spread after a female passenger said she had heard something that alarmed her.
Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.
Initially, six passengers refused to board the flight. On board the aircraft, word reached one family. To the astonishment of cabin crew, they stood up and walked off, followed quickly by others.
The Monarch pilot - a highly experienced captain - accompanied by armed Civil Guard police and airport security staff, approached the two men and took their passports.
Half an hour later, police returned and escorted the two Asian passengers off the jet.

Soon afterwards, the aircraft was cleared while police did a thorough security sweep. Nothing was found and the plane took off - three hours late and without the two men on board.
Monarch arranged for them to spend the rest of the night in an airport hotel and flew them back to Manchester later on Wednesday.
College lecturer Jo Schofield, her husband Heath and daughters Emily, 15, and Isabel, 12, were caught up in the passenger mutiny.
Mrs Schofield, 38, said: "The plane was not yet full and it became apparent that people were refusing to board. In the gate waiting area, people had been talking about these two, who looked really suspicious with their heavy clothing, scruffy, rough, appearance and long hair.
"Some of the older children, who had seen the terror alert on television, were starting to mutter things like, 'Those two look like they're bombers.'
"Then a family stood up and walked off the aircraft. They were joined by others, about eight in all. We learned later that six or seven people had refused to get on the plane.
"There was no fuss or panic. People just calmly and quietly got off the plane. There were no racist taunts or any remarks directed at the men.
"It was an eerie scene, very quiet. The children were starting to ask what was going on. We tried to play it down."
Mr Schofield, 40, an area sales manager, said: "When the men were taken off they didn't argue or say a word. They just picked up their coats and obeyed the police. They seemed resigned to the fact they were under suspicion.
"The captain and crew were very apologetic when we were asked to evacuate the plane for the security search. But there was no dissent.
"While we were waiting, everyone agreed the men looked dodgy. Some passengers were very panicky and in tears. There was a lot of talking about terrorists."
Patrick Mercer, the Tory Homeland Security spokesman, said last night: "This is a victory for terrorists. These people on the flight have been terrorised into behaving irrationally.
"For those unfortunate two men to be victimised because of the colour of their skin is just nonsense."
Monarch said last night: "The captain was concerned about the security surrounding the two gentlemen on the aircraft and the decision was taken to remove them from the flight for further security checks.
"The two passengers offloaded from the flight were later cleared by airport security and rebooked to travel back to Manchester on a later flight."
A spokesman for the Civil Guard in Malaga said: "These men had aroused suspicion because of their appearance and the fact that they were speaking in a foreign language thought to be an Arabic language, and the pilot was refusing to take off until they were escorted off the plane."

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DAMN!!! this is the most insulting thing that can happen to someone. Shame on the passengers for being so small minded. This is Racism in CAPITAL LETTERS. I understand everyones scared about a terror strike but im sure the airport security would have searched these men properly and ensured that they were not a threat to anyone. Just cos they dont speak the same language or have the same coloured skin as the other passengers doesnt mean that theyre terrorists. My blood boils when I hear news like this.
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Talk about racism, the northwest flight to bombay from amsterdam had 12 people detailed. Ironically all muslims. Reason? They were exchanging cellphones! I can understand passangers getting paranoid but here the cabin crew have turned racist!

More on that here http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/24plane1.htm

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Dumb asses! Can it get more humiliating for humanity?
These Brits are the worst humans when it comes to racism!
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These Brits are the worst humans when it comes to racism!
thts a bit ironic isnt it. Accusing the brits of being racist. though i agree with you 100%

I consider this a giant leap backwards for humanity

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Northwest are pretty racisit. Once, I was boarding that particular flight and they were asking questions like why do you have to have UK citizenship when you live in India.

Jeez - Ask about the suitaceses and contents not about my personal data.

At Heathrow, any poor islamic person gets a second look and they probably are the most peace loving people on the flight. Quietly get on flight and remain very quiet.

what security fail to realise that he terrorists are not dressed as stereotypes, and only good intelligence is the key. Witness the number of converts to radicalism (I say this because it is not Islam) being used for such purposes
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All Caucasians are racist - racism has been under wraps for quite some time now on account of human rights and other such dainty considerations. Now the masquerade is off and we can see them for what they are.

I wonder if we can get our flights to offload suspicious looking caucasians who speak a strange language - god knows there are enough dirty, unkempt backpackers out here who would fit the descriptions mentioned in the report. Are they above suspicion just because they look pale and ghostly?
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Makes me sick hearing all this s#$t all around... Now these terror outfits are terrorizing even without doing anything... People should never judge what they cant judge...

@steeroid
I maybe tempted to agree with you when u speak of offloading them... But again the age old rule comes to mind when we are reminded that if they are doing wrong, we should not retaliate... but sure i'd love to do that to them to make them feel what its like to be humiliated...

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All Caucasians are racist -
Please lets not limit racism to caucasians... In the US so are the "AFRICAN AMERICANS" and the Mexicans... have experienced it first hand so all those who think that the persecuted dont persecute... THINK AGAIN!
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All Caucasians are racist...
Not!

Some of my best friends are Caucasians. I dated a few Caucasian women (in US, Germany and Denmark) and in most cases their parents took to me very well. Some even hoped I'd become a son-in-law.

My godfather and godmother are Caucasian. He is of Irish descent she is Norwegian. They have 4 kids. They were so impressed by one of my cousins that they tried their damdest to set him up with their younger daughter (the old one was married).

It is how you carry yourself that matters. Be sensitive to their culture and they'll be to yours. Use your Indian upbringing. One example. In my first year of college (I studied in NY) one of my friends had a beach party at his house. He invited about 20 friends from college as well as a few of his high school budies. The next day he told me that his parents were most impressed with me and would like to have me over for dinner sometime. Why I asked. Seems that we Indians are taught to respect our elders a bit more. I apparently gave his parents a few minutes of my time. His father had told me that he had visited Bombay during WWII and wanted to know how Bombay was. That was 1981. We still are in touch.

I did not anglesize my name. I insisted they learn to spell and pronounce "Navin" to the best of their ability. Yet I never visited someone's house uninvited and without atleast a bottle of wine or liqueur. Beer is too cheap and hard liquors are too crass unless it is single malt or gold/blue label or something similar.

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Please lets not limit racism to caucasians... In the US so are the "AFRICAN AMERICANS" and the Mexicans... have experienced it first hand so all those who think that the persecuted dont persecute... THINK AGAIN!
I don't think we can limit racism to any race. Have you checked out the adverts in the matrimonials. How many start with or include the words "fair", "wheatish" etc...We are one of a very few (if not the only) countries that has reservations not based on economic status but based purely on race.
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Actually, at the end of the day, all races are racist. Some are more subtle about it, thats all.

As regards teh Northwest flight, I think what the airline did was absolutely justified. If you have read all the news reports, teh 12 guys had switched on their cell phones in fligt. Any moron knows that this can be dangerous and can cause interference with the electronics of teh aircraft.

when over 160 passengers can obey the rules, y not these 12. And racial profiling in this particular case did not take place since there were a large number of indian pasengers in the flight. So if it was a case of racial profiling, then all of them would have been offloaded!

lets us ascertain the facts before passing judgements.

It is very easy to cry persecution, but for heavens sake, every incident cannot be persecuiton. Have you never heard the saying-"prevention is better than cure".

P.S. I have direct info about the happenings on that flight since my sister was travelling on that flight as well. And she told me in detail what happened. From what she tells me, there were a couple of Indian origin passengers also who compalined to the cabin crew!
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I don't think we can limit racism to any race. Have you checked out the adverts in the matrimonials. How many start with or include the words "fair", "wheatish" etc...We are one of a very few (if not the only) countries that has reservations not based on economic status but based purely on race.
reminds me of chennai. many prorpective landlords asked me casually (over the phone) if i was a brahmin. I never heard from them again.

regarding the incident at amsterdam, I can imagne the chaos if it was as given on the news channels. not listening to the flight crew and things like not switching off cellphones are offensive enough for them to be offloaded. I think almost all countries enforce flying only sober passengers. They invited the trouble.

heck, I have seen in flights from chennai to mumbai, as soon as plane touches the runway people get up and open overhead bins (even when plane is running at 70+ KMPH ). I strongly recommend detaining them at destination airport who endanger others lives and limbs. even a small jault will throw their bags on next person's head.
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IMO , It is better to err on the side of safety and stop events before they happen...even if it looks like racial profiling. Fact is most of the suspects of recent terror attacks happen to be from a particular releigion / country from south asia

We have had too many bombings in the recent past to ignore the signs anymore..

It is also the responsibility of passengers to cooperate with airlines and authorities..jumping around like monkeys on seats when you are asked to keep the seat belt on and exchanging mobiles is stupid anytime... in these terror ridden times it is harakiri

P>S> if some unfortunate incidents do happen , the same travellers who are against security measures may be the first ones to sue the airlines for damages..so the airline would not like to take any chance

PS 2 - absolutely no offence meant to anyone from any religion..In my opinion being politically correct should not take priority over acknowledging facts staring at us..and taking preventive measures

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