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Old 3rd January 2008, 16:22   #91
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I heard some comments being made out regarding Saudi - Since I had the pleasure of living in that godforsaken place for 2 months , let me tell you something.

Such an incident may not have happened there, due to the strict policing etc, but rapes do happen. WHile I was there, a woman was kidanpped, gang raped in a running vehicle and later thrown out, receiving grevious injuries. THough prostitution is illegal, carnally starved men and women clandestinely go to some luxury hotel for a few hours of pleasure. I have seen grandfather arabs, armed with a brandnew laptop(with no clue how to operate it) take a room in my hotel, just to browse porn sites, watch porn DVD's and maybe do some other hanky panky as well. THe receptionist was supposed to conifgure the laptop and show them the sites(almost every porn site s banned in Saudi, but they know some new ones, always).

My point is, carnal instinct is there in everyone and it cannot be suppressed. It needs a release and when kept bottled up, these things happen. Of course, maniacs do not follow any pattern.

Another tidbit about Saudi, though off topic- One friend told me about this Incident, where a person/persons tried to rob an ATM by bulldozing it and then carrrying away the safe. Happens only in Saudi !

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On the contrary, women should have complete freedom to wear what they want. Or are you suggesting that we ban them from appearing in public? As for banning alcohol, it's no secret that prohibition has been a utter failure wherever in the world it's been enforced, so that's no solution.
Women have the right to be in public. If women do not wear enough clothes or wear tight clothes they are at higher risk. Most of these incidents start with eve teasing. Women should be accompained by men in the night. All the recent incidents in Bangalore shows that women are not at all safe.

When a person is out of sense, he is not different from an animal. I agree that government wont ban alcohol and an addicted person will find alcohol even if it is not readily available. Atleast the government should not sell it close to residential areas. The kids in my family have been witnessing the queue in front of the alcohol shop and I cannot blame them for wondering if it is good.
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Ok, so whats the definition of proper clothes?
Jeans? Suit? Sari , Salwar?
Maybe wrap themseleves in Jute bags.

I am really glad that there are people in this country who have realized that the women are at fault, and the molesters were giving them whats due.
Hats off to you dude. I am really in awe and admiration of your thinking.
I am yet to come across such a progressive thinking dude

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I am really glad that there are people in this country who have realized that the women are at fault, and the molesters were giving them whats due.
Hats off to you dude. I am really in awe and admiration of your thinking.
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i don't have the energy to go over the old posts to see which dude thinks like this in here ..... ???
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Noone becomes prostitutes by choice. .
That ain't completely true ... there are plenty of them out there who have chosen this proffession by choice !!
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From what one can see of the HT photographs, the women were dressed quite decently - normal jeans, a blouse and an evening dress. There were also escorted by 2 male friends.

This didn't prevent the mob from committing such a disgusting crime.

Why? Perhaps because some sections in society still equate non-Indian outfits / stylish clothes as immoral. In fact, in today's TOI, the police officer is quoted as saying that "the girls were wearing skimpy outfits". Come on !!

With each un-punished incident, the 'mob' is getting emboldened. It won't be long for people to realize that they don't need to wait for New Year as an excuse to go wild and we will see this more often. (remember, it also happened when the T20 team took their victory drive through Mumbai.)

Conventional advice to women was to seek safety in crowded public places. That does not seem to hold good anymore, as you never know when that crowd can turn into a mob. Though it is not fair, the only real option now, seems to be for women to avoid going out late, or exercising extreme caution if they have to.

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i seriously feel that all women should train to defend themselves in such situations but normally everybody thinks that this cannot happen to me.

secondly there are many people who throng to places like juhu and around good hotels because they get sadistic pleasure by just seeing somebody at their mercy.

if i would have been in a place like that i would atleast keep myself armed may be with pepperspray or atleast an swiss knife.

btw i do carry an swiss knife with me always. who knows when i might need it.

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That ain't completely true ... there are plenty of them out there who have chosen this proffession by choice !!
That's true. There are a lot of well educated, middle class girls choosing this profession for extra pocket money. There was a lot of media coverage on this sometime back when one group of college girls was caught.
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If women do not wear enough clothes or wear tight clothes they are at higher risk.
While some are blaming alcohol and some others are blaming the women and their dress, have any of you noticed the molestation women go through everyday?

I will take the example of Mumbai because I happen to live here. When our suburban trains enter into a station, there are guys that hang out and put their hands out in an attempt to brush against the women standing on the platform! What pleasure they are going to get out of it really beats me. When two trains pull up next to each other and the men's compartment aligns next to the woman's we have these same romeo's putting their hands out, singing songs or making loud comments. Those of us who have travelled in our trains will know that the ladies compartment is separated from the men's but people can see into each other's sections. Men jam into the area from where they have the best view into the ladies side and the same visual and verbal molestation starts. I believe there is a special name given to such compartments in trains and a few months back, some 'respected' 50 something bankers were arrested for passing lewd comments on women that were probably younger then their daughters. I can bet a zillion dollars that not a single woman is scantily clad when they are on their way to work. Then there are men who take advantage of the crowd and brush against women while walking on our overcrowded stations.

Thats just one example. Why do these incidents happen? There is no alcohol, no parties, no couples, no tight clothes or not enough clothes. These things happen because our society has a tendency to blame the woman. Some of the members here seem to be doing it too. Another reason could be that men believe they will get away with this and they do because the cops believe that these are minor things. Education or lack of it is another. But we have had instances of bankers doing it too. Is it upbringing? culture? education?

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This is definetly a Bad incident to happen. I hope the female gets over the shock. As about Mumbai being safe or unsafe I still think it is one of the safest cities because I dont think there is any city in this world where crimes like molestation do not happen. So I dont think in a population of Crores such incidents can be 100% taken care of.

@amit: Well I am glad you pointed this out because yes teasing happens on almost daily basis but albeit not that aggresively in Mumbai

As about dressing I feel that that while going out in Public places one should be extra carefull from cheapsters who would pass lewd comments & try to aggravate you to retaliate.

Sorry if this is already posted but it seems that the couple was NRI & didnt not press any charges since they were supposed to leave back to US in a day or two.
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Shame thing again...so read the headlines on every single news channel across the widespread cable tv network...

me and my wife were discussing about this incident and well i dont know how to come up with a solution to such incidents other than to say it aint a easy way!
our indian culture was pretty open to sex and its myriad roots and branches of pleasure and everyone accepted it openly even...kamasutra,the various so called "sex" temples...then over the years everything went behind doors and suddenly sex was taboo!
with the widespread reach of the internet and the general globalisation trend entangling everyone the effects are but there for everyone to see...
a country which respected and revered its womenfolk is turning to shameful crimes against them.
it has gotten to a point where i cant even trust my fellow men...would i have taken my wife out at 2AM in the night? i dont think so...paranoid?maybe but hey better safe than sorry...
we indians have always been noted for our chivalry and this is what we are becoming into now...
bollywood/hollywood/internet/porn blame it on anything but the bottom line is the government needs to take a long term perspective on how to bring about a healthy relationship between men and women...
and while we are talking about that i wait for the day when i see a white crow flying upside down...

peace and no offense to anyone and i hope none taken
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Ok, so whats the definition of proper clothes?
Jeans? Suit? Sari , Salwar?
Maybe wrap themseleves in Jute bags.

I am really glad that there are people in this country who have realized that the women are at fault, and the molesters were giving them whats due.
Hats off to you dude. I am really in awe and admiration of your thinking.
I am yet to come across such a progressive thinking dude
on the same lines, recently I read about karnataka police investigating an alleged sexual assault and kidnapping. then they came to know that the woman was a sex worker. and they stopped all the effort.

Hello, just because she is a sex worker, does every jerk on road gets a right to kidnap or molest her. The attitude of police (or general public) on such issues disgusts me.

@Techno, yes, to be safe one should wear conservative clothes. but that only encourages people who advocate such crappy moral policing.
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Ok, so whats the definition of proper clothes?
Jeans? Suit? Sari , Salwar?
Maybe wrap themseleves in Jute bags.

I am really glad that there are people in this country who have realized that the women are at fault, and the molesters were giving them whats due.
Hats off to you dude. I am really in awe and admiration of your thinking.
I am yet to come across such a progressive thinking dude
Great idea dude, Jute bags should keep them safe. At least it may make some people happy.

Every time there's a rape / molestation (particularly the call center girls) in Bangalore, the discussion on dress code comes up.

I point is "who the hell are we to question the judgment/fashion of a grown up women?"

India Being a culturally & geographically a diverse nation, what is considered a norm in one part may be indecent in another.

From Goa to Gangtok, Kashmir to KanyaKumari, we find womens clothes differ in size, colour & most importantly coverage of the vital parts.

People leaving in Cosmopolitan cities like Mumbai or Bangalore should come to accept reality & live with it.

We cant let the whim of some uneducated / uncultured b******s to dictate what our women wear in public.

If people have problems, they should stay locked up at their home & not venture out in public at all.

For Gods Sake, these people were out to enjoy the new years eve. Dont we have freedom to have a decent night out in our own country?

May be we haven't achieved independence, according to what M K Gandhi
" India Will be a free country When women walk freely in the midnight with out any fear"

(excuse me if the quote is not verbatim)
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These kind of people are actually bred on the kind of movies that we make. These are avid movie buffs who go to the movies not for the story but for the item numbers in it. These are a sexually frustrated lot.
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Unhappy we are a sex starved society

awful incident which shows how backward our society is. one of the reasons that our society is deteriorating to these ugly scenes besides molestation and rape of not just indian women but also foreigners is that due to the "conservative" & "orthodox" upbringing, majority of young indian men are, sex starved. think about it...it taboo in 90% of families to have a girlfriend, its a crime to go out on a date, its a sin to touch a girl, its akin to murder to go to the next step in a relationship.

i am not saying that western ways should be encouraged but its the above way that most of us indians in india have been brought up. so, when "opportunity" presents itself, there are bound to be animals like the ones we are talking about. its a sad thing that we have to accept in our society today.

in western cultures, girlfriends are plenty, sex is relatively a free and open issue, its freely available for free and on payment. adult movies, channels, shops, books, mags are all available freely.

mind you, i am in no way justifying what the animals did but just trying to understand reason/cause for their actions.
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