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Old 20th February 2015, 23:01   #2326
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For an indigenous bike brand, Montra has been worth it from my side. I bought mine, back in 2012. Initially I felt that it was not worth it- Trust me, the niggles were overwhelming. The original Kenda SmallBlockEight's went bust within 2 months. Brakes went kaput at 3 months. The gears + chains, were misaligned, out of tune, by the bike had done some 2.5k kilometers- by early 2013.

After the first overhaul, it has been smooth sailing. Nearly 9k kilometers on...This thingy keeps on getting better and better. Full credits to the original dealers- Surinder Cycles, Poona, The Everest Cycle Company, Seawoods, New Bombay- and my mech at Giant, Baner, Poona-45.

The official dealer attitude has been excellent, and post the initial niggles, I hear, the second half 2012-early 2013 one's had substantial improvements in quality. FULL MARKS-

Many of you here, will know that I've been looking for an upgrade for a while. What pissed me off was the lack of high quality bike's in a lowish budget. I was looking at the Firefox one- Deplored it. The Orbea Aqua- IIRC, was an excellent one. The Trek 3 series felt excellent. And, so did the Schwinn Fastback 3.

So- It was to be the Schwinn.

BUT- I was convinced about one thing. Although a road bike was going to be an enriching AND NEW experience, it simply wasn't worth the differential, over the total money spent on my 2012 Montra Rock 1 on setting it up, to what it became, from 26 November 2013. I wanted a good, reliable commuter, which could do sustain excellent average speeds. My 2012 Moontra Rock one could sustain ~23-28 KMPH in the hills of Pune. If I did end up buying a roadie, I would get an increased speed- yes. The differential is however miniscule- at max, 5-10 KMPH.

And, that DID NOT FEEL VFM. The accident came, and I quit riding, for a while.

Thus, the new bike plan went down. Or so it seems. I got the news today, that @MontraIndia has launched 3 new roadie's, at a sub 40k price.

The following are the new releases for 2015:

A] MONTRA UNPLUGGED 1.1 2015 :
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The Montra Unplugged 1.1 is an entry-level road bike that offers outstanding value for money and superb performance all wrapped up in a smart-looking package. The ride feel is very sprightly with a decent turn of speed and very sure-footed handling that will make anyone buying their first road bike feel right at home.
It still has what look's like an entry level MTB gearing. Shimano Tourney. My 2012 Rock 1 has better Acera's. No freewheel/removeable rims evident. Quite a downer.

The price- 24,000 INR. VFMness. Personified.

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2] The MONTRA CELTIC 2.1 2015 :
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The Montra Celtic 2.1 is the bike to beat when it comes to affordable aluminum bicycles. Get out and ride the Celtic 2.1 and it will be immediately apparent that this is an impressive race focused bicycle. Its geometry mirrors racing standards in every way, and the impressive components make it a sharp and swift-handling machine.
The price: 33,000 INR. Sweet. Loved this one! Feels like a proper roadie! 8 rear gears...et al.

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3] MONTRA CELTIC 2.2 2015 :
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The light, sleek, ride-tuned aluminum frame of the Celtic 2.2 Road Bike provides the intuitive responsiveness of Montra’s precision design. This bicycle let’s you enjoy the best components at an affordable price. The short wheelbase and the light frame weight make this a nimble beast with fast and controlled handling.
This one- is even more a proper roadie, than the 2.1. Price- 40,000 INR. Lovely!

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These new launches are just.....Lovely! My confidence in this brand is high. Hopefully niggles will not be evident this time around. I'm awaiting initial user reports- particularly about the gremlins encountered.

Come April, and quite possibly...

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1] http://montra.in/bicycles/road/montr...gged-1-1-2015/

2] http://montra.in/bicycles/road/montra-celtic-2-1-2015/

3] http://montra.in/bicycles/road/montra-celtic-2-2-2015/

Thanks!

Anyone out for a new roadie- Do consider these new kids on the block. Be wary of niggles, though.

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Old 22nd February 2015, 06:56   #2327
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I had gotten the Schwalbe Marathon+ in Nov 2012. Peace of mind ever since.

I'd gotten a deal for SMP (London 28c) for 3300 a pair (no customs!!). Its taken about 3500km of riding in the last two years without a single puncture. I'm not complaining much hence. I'm anyways an out of shape 26-28 kph averaging roadie.

When I get bored I will ultimately upgrade to the GP4000s. They are supposed to be the gold standard for quick puncture proof tyres in the affordable (5k/tyre) range.
I would avoid those tyres. They have lots of side wall issues. Ultremos, Michelins Prorace are good alternatives.
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Come April, and quite possibly...

Links:

1] http://montra.in/bicycles/road/montr...gged-1-1-2015/

2] http://montra.in/bicycles/road/montra-celtic-2-1-2015/

3] http://montra.in/bicycles/road/montra-celtic-2-2-2015/

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Anyone out for a new roadie- Do consider these new kids on the block. Be wary of niggles, though.
After your own niggles its admirable how you continue wanting to give them more chances!

Wouldn't you agree that getting excited about mfr PR releases is the equivalent of buying a car because of its glossy eloquent brochure :-)

#2 and #3 are the only ones worth bothering about. #2 has worse specs than the mistral AFAIK (Claris < Sora). I'd say #3 and Mistral are equivalent. Plus I think the current Sora has 9speed STI levers which are better than the Claris equivalent.

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I would avoid those tyres. They have lots of side wall issues. Ultremos, Michelins Prorace are good alternatives.
Ah, another vote against them. What about gatorskins? I ask because normally i find them easily in SE Asia bikeshops during my travels. Pro Race is a bit rarer to find.
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Ah, another vote against them. What about gatorskins? I ask because normally i find them easily in SE Asia bikeshops during my travels. Pro Race is a bit rarer to find.
^^^GatorSkins by Continental are legendary for a very long life.

Let's see- about the 2015 Montra Celtic 2.1. I find it grossly undertyred. Gearwise- it is ok- at best.

I still think sticking to the Schwinn Fastback will be worth it, inspite of the price differential.
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I had gotten the Schwalbe Marathon+ in Nov 2012. Peace of mind ever since.

I'd gotten a deal for SMP (London 28c) for 3300 a pair (no customs!!). Its taken about 3500km of riding in the last two years without a single puncture. I'm not complaining much hence. I'm anyways an out of shape 26-28 kph averaging roadie.

When I get bored I will ultimately upgrade to the GP4000s. They are supposed to be the gold standard for quick puncture proof tyres in the affordable (5k/tyre) range.
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After your own niggles its admirable how you continue wanting to give them more chances!

Wouldn't you agree that getting excited about mfr PR releases is the equivalent of buying a car because of its glossy eloquent brochure :-)

#2 and #3 are the only ones worth bothering about. #2 has worse specs than the mistral AFAIK (Claris < Sora). I'd say #3 and Mistral are equivalent. Plus I think the current Sora has 9speed STI levers which are better than the Claris equivalent.


Ah, another vote against them. What about gatorskins? I ask because normally i find them easily in SE Asia bikeshops during my travels. Pro Race is a bit rarer to find.

AFAIK, Gatorskins are supposed to be 'flat resistant'. All such tyres are horrible rides. You need a soft supple tyre for a nice ride, but the risk of flats is more. Nothing like a free lunch.

All tyres are available on line. Wiggle, Evans, CRC etc.

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^^^GatorSkins by Continental are legendary for a very long life.

Let's see- about the 2015 Montra Celtic 2.1. I find it grossly undertyred. Gearwise- it is ok- at best.

I still think sticking to the Schwinn Fastback will be worth it, inspite of the price differential.


AFAIK, Gatorskins are supposed to be 'flat resistant'. All such tyres are horrible rides. You need a soft supple tyre for a nice ride, but the risk of flats is more. Nothing like a free lunch. Also 'long life' tyres are usually hard and not 'nice rides'.

All tyres are available on line. Wiggle, Evans, CRC etc.
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23c is good for racing, but the ride will be harsh. For plusher ride, go for 25c. I ordered 25c.

I just checked Chain Reaction Cycles has stock.

If you choose Black, 700C, 25 size, in the below link, it shows 5+ stock. Each tire costs 32.99pounds
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/i.../rp-prod120460

They also offer a pair of 25c tires at 63.49 pounds in the below link. This also is in stock.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/i.../rp-prod122746
Actually the theory that 23s provide a faster ride than 25s is kind of in doubt now. Even the pros are slowly moving to 25s. Supposedly they actually roll better than 23s.

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I still think sticking to the Schwinn Fastback will be worth it, inspite of the price differential.
We bought a Schwinn Fastback for use in India when we are there, and my son finished a 200 BRM on it quite comfortably despite it being about a size larger for him (56).

Its a wonderful entry-level bike and according to the young man it is exceptionally good and confidence-inspring in fast downhill curves (50-55 kmph).

At the end of the day you pay primarily for the frame when you buy a bike off the shelf - if the frame stands up to your kind of use, the components shouldn't really matter as they are switchable.
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Completed ride from Chandani Chowk, Pune to Kamshet and back on Saturday.

Total distance covered 92 Kms just shy of my target of 100 Kms
Total moving time: 4.5 hrs, Total time: 5.5 hrs

Want to share few learnings from this ride.
1. Always understand your own body limits and do not rely on someone else’s feedback. What has worked for others, may or may not work for you.
2. Study the route well. Again do not rely only on someone else’s feedback. What is easy for other riders could be moderate/difficult for you. Plan your distance, time in detail.
3. Have backup plan ready. This is with reference to any injury. In my case, a State transport bus was overtaking another bus from left hand side and I had to take an avoiding action. The sudden jerk resulted in cramp in left leg. Always carry pain relief spray
4. Consider the impact of Sun (heat) during your return journey. Most of the time we enjoy the morning time when the climate is cool. The average speed drops drastically especially after 9 am.
5. Consider the impact of cross winds. This was a major factor during return journey. It slows you down and is tiresome.

Any questions/feedbacks are welcome.
This was my longest ride so far and it feels great that I came really close to 100
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AFAIK, Gatorskins are supposed to be 'flat resistant'. All such tyres are horrible rides. You need a soft supple tyre for a nice ride, but the risk of flats is more. Nothing like a free lunch.
Gatorskins get their puncture-protection from a layer of Kevlar fabric. Nothing wrong with their ride quality, AFAIK. Please do a bit of research on the net - you will find that most people love the Gatorskins for the ride + puncture protection combo as opposed to the Specialised Armadillo or other such 'hard tyres'.

On the flip side you have to be careful with the inflation - under-inflated Gatorskins have been known to have sidewall punctures.

Do also note that the Gator series now has several variants including the Ultra Gator which offers bead-to-bead Kevlar protection to take care of the sidewall issue on the first version.
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Completed ride from Chandani Chowk, Pune to Kamshet and back on Saturday.

Total distance covered 92 Kms just shy of my target of 100 Kms
Total moving time: 4.5 hrs, Total time: 5.5 hrs
Congrats mate. I did a half century(50 miles/ 81 Kms) ride last Saturday. Most of the ice melted during the week and so thought of doing this. Temperature stayed between 1 to 4C during the ride.

Total Moving time 4:05 Hrs, Total time 5:50 Hrs.

We took a detour through the woods and since all ice got melted, the road was muddy and that slowed us down. Usually we don't ride over ice but in this case riding over ice was much faster .

This is the longest I have ever ridden on a bike in one go. During the initial leg of the ride, I was bit scared of the task ahead. But as time passed, my confidence grew and also my speed. In fact the last 23Kms, we covered in one hour flat. I know this is no big deal for you guys but for me it was .

As suggested by phamilyman, FINTAIL and other bhpians, I rehydrated and stacked up calories at regular intervals, even though I was not feeling hungry nor thirsty.

The ROX 5.0 cycle computer was showing the calories burned, which I think is a nice feature. Do you guys know how accurate those figures are?

Even though the outside temperature was below 4C, with the winter jacket on, I was sweating like crazy and because of that we didn't feel that cold. Only when we stopped for say, 5 minutes or so we started feeling the cold.

I mounted the phone on the bike to act as GPS, so couldn't take many pictures. I wish I had taken the pics of those wild horses in the wild. Next time, surely I will take more pictures.



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Hey guys have been driving my new bicycle from the past two months and its been quite a refreshing change, it has helped me loose quite a lot of weight too.
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Completed ride from Chandani Chowk, Pune to Kamshet and back on Saturday.

Total distance covered 92 Kms just shy of my target of 100 Kms
Total moving time: 4.5 hrs, Total time: 5.5 hrs
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This was my longest ride so far and it feels great that I came really close to 100
Congratulations on the long ride. That is a good speed for a first time long ride. The first ride always feels tough. As you repeat the rides, they get easier (in other words, your range increases). Just keep doing those long rides every week end, and in no time you will be comfortably doing 100K. When I attempted a 100K ride on my road bike about 9 months back, I could only manage 85k with a ride time of 4.5 hours and total time of 6.5 hours. I was hurting all over and totally dehydrated. After many rides, now I can do a 100K comfortably in about 4 hours and 10 minutes.

Here are some things I learnt from experts and have started following.

1. For long rides, pacing is very important. Unless you are attempting a personal record for speed, set a comfortable speed that you can keep riding hour after hour. If you have a heart rate monitor, Z2 (or endurance zone) is the right zone for long rides. If you are able to do only an average of 20kph, that does not matter. You will find your speed increase as you put in more kilometers on the saddle.
2. Always carry a puncture kit with you.
3. Stay hydrated and take care of nutrition. Don't wait till you become thirsty or hungry. I usually consume 1 to 1.5 liters of water and 250 calories of nutrition including salts (the actual calorie requirement may vary depending on your weight, age etc). Food that is easy to digest and release energy instantly into the bood stream are good. Snickers, oatmeal bars, peanut chikkies, banana etc are good source of nutrition. Avoid heavy food like samosas, vadas etc. When you eat such food, the body diverts energy to the digestion system to digest and you will feel deprived of energy for cycling. Minerals and salts should also be a part of nutrition. Carry enerzal, gatorade or electral sachets. Two to three sachets for a four hour ride will replenish the minerals and salts you lose from sweat. Tender coconut is an excellent source of minerals and salts.

Keep riding, and you will soon find you are able to do 4 hour century rides comfortably.

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I did a half century(50 miles/ 81 Kms) ride last Saturday. Most of the ice melted during the week and so thought of doing this. Temperature stayed between 1 to 4C during the ride.

Total Moving time 4:05 Hrs, Total time 5:50 Hrs.

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The ROX 5.0 cycle computer was showing the calories burned, which I think is a nice feature. Do you guys know how accurate those figures are?
Good ride and great pictures. It should have been fun to ride in that cold.

Regarding calories, the most accurate calorie burn is considered to be when you use a power meter. The next best is based on heart rate (and weight and age data), at least I used to believe so till I had a chance to compare Garmin and Endomondo a few days back. For the same ride where my Garmin Edge 500 estimated about 770 calories, endomondo estimated 1200+ calories. Both use the average heart rate, weight and age. May be they use different algorithms and hence the huge difference. I have read many other forum threads on this topic as well where people have reported huge discrepancies between Strava and Endomondo calorie calculation as well (even between Garmin models). So, it is definitely inconclusive.
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If you are able to do only an average of 20kph, that does not matter. You will find your speed increase as you put in more kilometers on the saddle.
I agree, in my case my average speed was much higher towards the end and I was able to ride longer distances without break as well. The road profile was relatively flat.

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Good ride and great pictures. It should have been fun to ride in that cold.
Thank you. It was nice to ride in this weather, can't wait for the summer.

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Regarding calories, the most accurate calorie burn is considered to be when you use a power meter. The next best is based on heart rate (and weight and age data), at least I used to believe so till I had a chance to compare Garmin and Endomondo a few days back. For the same ride where my Garmin Edge 500 estimated about 770 calories, endomondo estimated 1200+ calories. Both use the average heart rate, weight and age. May be they use different algorithms and hence the huge difference. I have read many other forum threads on this topic as well where people have reported huge discrepancies between Strava and Endomondo calorie calculation as well (even between Garmin models). So, it is definitely inconclusive.
Even I thought the same, ROX was showing I burned 3000Kcal for this ride.
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Ah, another vote against them. What about gatorskins? I ask because normally i find them easily in SE Asia bikeshops during my travels. Pro Race is a bit rarer to find.
How are roadies to live with on a daily basis? Can one carry a backpack et cetera?

Please share some anecdotes- What sort of questions are asked about them by the public..et cetera.

Will inquire about the BTwin Triban 3/5 soon.
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How are roadies to live with on a daily basis? Can one carry a backpack et cetera?

Please share some anecdotes- What sort of questions are asked about them by the public..et cetera.

Will inquire about the BTwin Triban 3/5 soon.
Backpack etc depends on your back's condition. People who commute often use a carrier or a frame bag depending on taste.

I only have a roadie in chennai and I wouldnt use anything else because I'm now used to the speed. YMMV ofc. Even in gurgaon, my hybrid used to be getting passed around for others to "try this cycling bug out"

of course, there are cities like Brisbane where a very decent number of folks commute on bicycles, and its an even split between roadies and MTBers. Many folks use a messenger bag or a backpack.

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