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Old 15th May 2015, 16:57   #2521
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Good advice.

P.S. Its Loyolean. I was one too. Jamshedpur.
About the drop bars and gear placement? Any decent place who can tune my gears?
Even Surinder's (The cycle guy) son studied there I believe. Bishops. Is now abroad.

Yeah- There's a couple of guys from Bishops in FIITJEE Pune. Love helping 'em out with Calculus!

P.S: It is "Loyolite". That's how we say it. The Loyola College students (Jamshedpur) might have a different terminology.

That said; back to the topic; the drop bars can be fitted. There used to be this old cycle guy in Pashan road- who had bolted on 'em drop handlebars- onto what looked like an Atlas Goldline frame. This was in 2006/07 though.

Refer to this post : (I was shocked to know that even @Ninjatalli went there!) http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifti...ml#post3682962 (The Bicycles thread)

And umm....There was this guy near Goodluck Cafe; on FC Road. Near the turn into Bhandarkar road. The shop is very old.

The work- Top class.

Tell you what; this Sunday; relieve the old days; and have a stroll in Phadke Haud.

I bet there'll be lots of older; and talented mechanics there.

Drop bar won't be an issue at all. The gearing bit is tricky. Speak with an experienced Mech about that. Or just go to Surinder. Karve Road.

I repeat- Take a stroll in Phadke Haud. Relieve the old days. And get the cycle running. New tubes - rims whatever. Upgrade the rims. And even the saddles; if you will.

And then- think about doing a significant modification such as a drop bar. What I'll tell; repair your cycle. Get it running. Get the hang of it. Adjust yourself to cycling again. A month or so later; test ride a roadie. Lend one; if need be. If you really like it- Buy it!

Get a feel of cycling on your older bike. If you like it- Take a call; whether to modify the older cycle or upgrade.



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Well well well. The internet is indeed a small place. Vincentian here!
Well...well....

We'll have a football match one day. Remember those old days when the football frenzy between the convent's used to be almost feverish. The atmosphere used to be highly charged.

When the Vincentians used to come over to Loyola's; to compete with us; we used to ensure that they would be demoralized. The matches could even be nasty- Brawls did take place.

And 'em taunts.....after your school lost a game....Oh goodness!

We were taunted; and we used to taunt others as well. There used to be this guy from Vincent's and Bishops (as well); whom we used to taunt a lot; if they lost a match.

But all that's too OT. Anyway....

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Thanks for the details Fintail.

Btw, it was Loyola High School in Jamshedpur. And Loyola College Madras in Chennai.

My nephew is currently a Puneri "Loyolite"
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Very nice reading:

http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/qu...to-a-road-bike

The basics:

1) Get the thinnest smoothest highest PSI tyres that will go on to your 26" MTB rims

OR

Change to 700C rims (Hero Hawk, BSA Mach?) if your MTB frame can take them - then put on road slicks (but more punctures)

OR

If your frame cannot accommodate the 700C rims (many do not), then go for alternate 26" thin rims (BSA SLR types?)

2) Gearing - change the biggest chain-ring to a bigger one for road speed (I think I'll pass on this one if too complicated - 18 speed is plenty for non-competitive riding - an gearing is not something you just play with - plus it would need a bigger chain as well)

3) If flat handle - use aero extenders ( I have those) for a makeshift bull horn. Some suggest lacing them inside the grips. Even cutting the bar ends and shortening the handle.

OR

Go for drop bars (this is a big mod - brake levers will need to be replaced. I wonder if my twist shift gears can slide on to these to the top flat part)

OR

Cut off a drop bar and invert it to make a home made bull horn (this might also need different brake levers at the ends instead of in the middle on the flat part)

4) Problems I do not need tackling
Rigid forks - check
Disc brakes to rim brakes - check
Mudguards - check
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Very nice reading:

http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/qu...to-a-road-bike

The basics:

1) Get the thinnest smoothest highest PSI tyres that will go on to your 26" MTB rims

OR

Change to 700C rims (Hero Hawk, BSA Mach?) if your MTB frame can take them - then put on road slicks (but more punctures)



If your frame cannot accommodate the 700C rims (many do not), then go for alternate 26" thin rims (BSA SLR types?)
Yeah- The latter option is more precise.

700C rims do not come with 'em BSA Mach bikes. My Bianchi runs on 700C rims; and I suppose; the Firefox Mistral (@ 33k INR) also comes shod with 700C rims.

Indeed; in such a situation; when the 700C rim won't fit in a frame, one has to opt for 26 inch; thinner rims.

The BSA SLR Types. (An example of 26" thin rims; on a BSA Photon : https://www.bsahercules.com/bsa/bicy...a-photon-ex-26)

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Go for drop bars (this is a big mod - brake levers will need to be replaced. I wonder if my twist shift gears can slide on to these to the top flat part
The 'twist' gears are unlikely to fit perfectly; and properly onto the top flat part of the drop bars.

And even if they do; Shifting gears will be a very dangerous affair indeed. Shifts will be a lot slower; and in a drop bar cycle; you want to bend, and ride in a 'sporty' position; right?

Okay. Do so. But; when you have to shift; you will have to come out of that sporty position ; become more erect; shift; and then; move back to the lower position.

Risky. Imagine; while; you shift from the sporty position; to the more 'erect' position; for the sake of changing gears; you hit a bump on the road?

You will have no control over the brakes. And.....Whammmm! You've fallen. Ouch.

Nope. Clearly the twist shift will not fit onto a drop bar. And even if it does; changing gears will be a huge risk to safety.

That's why- roadbikes have an innovative shifting arrangement. As the brake levers are perpendicular; mounted on the drop bar; pointing towards the ground downwards-

One pulls the brake levers behind to brake. As usual. And umm....move them to and fro in opposite directions to shift between gears.

This is much safer. So- I would say; there is no way a twist shifter is going to work on drop handlebars.

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Fintail ji

I have this massive culture shock when people call a 10,000 buck bicycle a "cheap" cycle.
Depends. Similar to the angle when someone spends a bomb on a Enfield or a Hayabusa when you have pretty decent and extremely reliable TVS and Hero motorbikes for some ~40k.

Anyway, its' an investment and the increase of prices as you move up the chain that actually makes sense when you get active in this sport. A very rudimentary comparison is buying a top brand cricket bat vs using the wooden bat shaped stick that maids "used" during washing clothes


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Three decades on....Another 16 year old is attempting to climb another fort. Sinhagad. In Poona. He pedals furiously. Pants.
Trivia Q - is that your age?


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So the way I look at it the better option will be to get my old 18 speed Hercules Top Gear refurbished and try my hand at it and if the bug bites, then get a new better bike.
My recommendation would be to throw away that and buy yourself a Btwin MyBike (~4.5k) or a Btwin Rockrider 5.0 (~8.5k) - both are good starting bikes that are extremely VFM. Head over to Gulab Sales (I'm assuming that is the one on MG road you are talking about) and ask him for slick tires (~2k) and voila - you have the perfect bike to evaluate if you really want to attempt this sport. Ignore all and every other accessory for now to save money.

And remember - these bikes sell easily in the resale market - if kept well, the max you'll lose is around ~1-1.5k. That probably would be lesser than what you plan to do to "overhaul" your current Hercules.

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Gulab, Singh, the one on the corner of Phadke Haud. Those ones.
Edit: Let me give a more context - I was in a similar situation end of 2012. Saw a colleague plonk 22k on a Cannondale hybrid - was like is he nuts??!! And ignoring his advice, bought his other brand new (about a month old) Hercules MTB which was replaced by the hybrid. Tried riding, and then the bike gathered dust for a year. Again in Dec 2013, with extremely unfit health levels, picked up the bike again, overhauled it, ignored (above) advice from many bhpians and started riding - short rides. The bike used to literally make me work for <5kms. Finally got the urge to plonk ~10k on a Rockrider, and experienced the difference on why it's worth putting the money on these bikes.

What @Fintail has suggested is a workable scenario (and cheaper). But not the ideal situation if you really want to pick up this hobby.

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Thanks a ton for the expert inputs fintail, ninjatalli. Do keep them coming!

fintail, the bsahercules site is not opening for some reason. Getting error messages.

Is the Photon the new age SLR of today? Does it have the thinnest Indian made wheel/tyre combo in 26" ? As thin as the BSA Mach, Hero Hawk racers?

So yesterday, charged up by the discussion here, I left office early, reached home, found that my son had gone to the movies with his friends. Managed to find the keys to the ring lock as well as the chain padlock finally, took out the cycle. Loosened the valve stem check nuts on both flat tyres, and wheeled it across MG Road to a small cycle shop at the corner where you turn right for Vincents (ahead of the meat/fish market).

By God's mercies, the tubes and valves were ok. Slowly pushed more and more stuff on to him - fork adjusted/tightened, handle stem tightened, both wheels centered and adjusted, all bolts tightened, brakes adjusted front and rear, gears checked, shifting ok, so asked him not to fiddle with them (asked him cost of servicing - 350 bucks), got seat post raised for my height, however it could not be raised enough to get full extension of my legs as its too short so will look around for a longer one soon, got both mudguards tightened and centered, some nuts had fallen off from the rear one, got those replaced, got the seat angled slightly down up front as a trial ride indicated unacceptable trauma to tender parts, now comfortable. Asked him to oil all moving parts, clean the chain and rear gear cluster etc. (lots of crud there) but he said first wash the bike thoroughly otherwise no sense in oiling.

Rode back home feeling great, and gave her a couple of buckets of water wash to get most of the garage crud away .....

The Bicycles thread-201505150001.jpeg

Things to do. Get a longer seat post. Need to get a reflector for the rear mudguard (my friend has promised me a fancy blinking red light he's not using). He's also got an older inexpensive headlight for the handle (since we plan to ride in the evenings) as he now has a really powerful rechargeable headlight-cum-strobe (that costs as much as my cycle .....). Also need to get my cycle pump repaired (diaphragm probably needs replacement, tubing too). Would also be great to get the bull horn extensions on my handle taped up with the tape cyclists use (gel padding?). We tried adjusting their position but the allen bolts are jammed solid (12 years ....) so he just used a hammer and knocked one into the same position as the other. Trying to open them (even after leaving oil etc.) he said they would break. Either that or cut the bolts and remove them and replace with a new set. Planning to keep the handle stock for now. The frame really seems to be too small to actually be worth trying to convert into a drop bar roadie. Just the tyres (and maybe rims, if needed) some time later after I have used this set for at least a month or more and get used to it (so that I can actually appreciate the difference). Also need a new side stand. This one is too vertical, and does not lock (this is a new thing for me) and the cycle moves forward with it down and in position (it even fell once while I was washing her).

Gear - get a pair of Btwin blue or red pad (crotch) cycling tights. And a helmet.

Delicate question - do cyclists wear undies inside the tights or is it commando season? Either way, plan to get modesty over shorts to wear over the tights as well.

Ninjatalli are you currently in Pune too (your location shows Chicago)? My son too wants a bike, so I'll probably get him a Rockrider 5.0 as you've suggested. However, it does not show on the Decathlon website (there is one for girls though). It has grip shifts just like mine, and I have not checked, but is the frame steel or alloy? How many gears? Looks like a nice solid bike. Would be neat cycling with my son if he too gets interested. He's just finished his 12th boards. For me, I plan to stick to my Hercules, ride it as suggested by fintail, and then upgrade. To what, its pretty early to decide. My cyclist friend took a spin on her yesterday and actually liked it. We carried both bikes in each hand and I don't think mine would be more than 3 kilos heavier than his 40K high end machine (yes I know - the gear shifting mechanism, Shimano Acera, disc brakes, suspension, alloy frame, fork, wheels, etc. etc.) Cycling starts from today evening. May join a group for a ride tomorrow morning as well (starting from Kalyaninagar apparently - either of you going to be there?).

That's his bike with mine .... (sorry for low light conditions in my compound)

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Interesting thread from the early days of BikeZone .....

Similar discussion going on there.

http://www.bikeszone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=39
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fintail, the bsahercules site is not opening for some reason. Getting error messages.

Is the Photon the new age SLR of today? Does it have the thinnest Indian made wheel/tyre combo in 26" ? As thin as the BSA Mach, Hero Hawk racers?
Pretty thin yeah. I guess the BSA Mach would have a similar tire - if not thinner. Not very sure.

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So yesterday, charged up by the discussion here, I left office early, reached home, found that my son had gone to the movies with his friends.
We teens are in the habit of going out for the movies!

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By God's mercies, the tubes and valves were ok. =
Great! But; still it'll be nice if you get new ones. Safety factor.

I've seen a tire burst even on a cycle. It was an old Avon. Classic case of very old tires + over inflation.

So; in this summer heat; just be careful. You're running older tires + the risk of tires bursting is pretty high anyway.

Cycle tire bursts are a rare occurance anyway. Just be a tad careful.
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Delicate question - do cyclists wear undies inside the tights or is it commando season? Either way, plan to get modesty over shorts to wear over the tights as well.
Ummm.....They wear undies inside the tights. Atleast I do. While the idea of cycling without underwear may seem strange first, most serious cyclists "go commando" while in the saddle. This is to help avoid the rubbing and irritation that can come from underwear seams.

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Ninjatalli are you currently in Pune too (your location shows Chicago)?
Niranjan has relocated to Chicago.

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May join a group for a ride tomorrow morning as well (starting from Kalyaninagar apparently - either of you going to be there?).
Nope.

BTW- considering your son's age; has he not asked for a bike yet?

A Rockrider is too rudimentary, IMO. I'd say; a GT Agressor or something.

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BTW- considering your son's age; has he not asked for a bike yet?

A Rockrider is too rudimentary, IMO. I'd say; a GT Agressor or something.
Coincidentally he has, just yesterday. When he saw me come home with the now fresh ready to ride Top Gear which he had left to rot in the garage. I told him that he will henceforth stay away from my cycle and get himself his own.

He wants to do some hill riding with some group. Just came back from Decathlon. Picked up shorts (tights - the red pad ones), a couple of dri fit jerseys, and cycling sunglasses. Saw the Btwin bikes there. There was a nice off road rigid tail for 13K+. Saw the 10-11K Rock Rider 5.0 as well. Those are steel frames. Very rudimentary grip shift Shimanos (nothing like my top end MegaRange casette and shifters).

P.S. From the thread link posted above I now recall that my Hercules in current form weighs about 16 kilos. The Bergamont weighs about 14+. Which means the difference between a full alloy and full steel bike is under 2 kilos. Conside 3-3.5 if you take in the fact that the Bergamont has telescopic fork suspension and disc brakes, which weigh more than rigid forks and caliper rim brakes.

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I wonder if this is the right thread for posting this but I could not find any valid thread or relevant information when I search for electric bicycle conversion kits in bangalore.
Moderators , Please move this to an appropriate thread otherwise.

It made sense for me if I get an electric assist while I pedal to work. So the range is not too much of a worry as l am anyway pedalling. I have a Hercules Act 110 on which I am trying to fit an electric conversion kit. But could not find any reliable information on
1) Whether it can be done ?
2) If so then who/where in bangalore can get I get it done ?
3) Pros/Cons ?

Saw this link where they sell the kit :
http://trade.indiamart.com/search.mp...le+e+bike+kits

Searches give me Flexitron, SIKCO etc but no-one seems to have done it and using it :(

Ofcourse , I can buy a separate ebike or a e-scooter but do not want to maintain two more wheels if this is feasible.
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Went cycling after a month and a half this morning. Despite the intense humidity, the ride was quite nice. Most of Marine Drive has been resurfaced, with Tarmac - which makes it a real pleasure to ride on. Worli Sea Face was great as well. The lack of exercise over the past month has taken its toll - my average speed was down to 22.5 kph and I was pooped when I completed by 35 km ride. Makes me feel bad that I failed to ride more regularly.
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It made sense for me if I get an electric assist while I pedal to work. So the range is not too much of a worry as l am anyway pedalling. I have a Hercules Act 110 on which I am trying to fit an electric conversion kit. But could not find any reliable information on
1) Whether it can be done ?
2) If so then who/where in bangalore can get I get it done ?
3) Pros/Cons ?
If your main goal is only to be assisted by the electric motor for few mins - around 10-15mins approx(climbing a bridge or a steep slope) , you can get a portable drill machine and mount it on the top of the wheel and driving the wheel with another chain and sprocket. I saw this on the gadget show and tough DIY, it will be a lot cheaper than a full fledged electric bike. The portable drill machine will have a replaceable battery and you could carry around a spare. And for your return journey you could charge it in the office.

If you want a 100% electric bike, you'll need to carry quite a big battery which might not be to your liking. Even I had considered tinkering in such a way, but frankly for me it did not make much sense since I just wanted to try it out rather than actually use the assist everyday.
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Fixed the brakes yesterday! No squeaking, no groaning. Tightened the brake cables as well since they were somewhat loose.
I am still trying to crack the gear issues. Can you recommend any videos that helped you fix your gears?

Can anyone tell me a good lubricant and degreaser for MTB's?
A sample
http://www.artscyclery.com/learningc...railleurs.html

All are different but you will get the basic idea of adjustment. After that, it will take 2-3 adjustments.

Adjusting front one is very easy, rear requires precision.
Try the link above if it helps.
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Two days of cycling done. 20 kms on the first day, 25 kms on the second.

Got a longer seat post, and raise the seat to where I can just about touch down on tip toes. The leg is still not getting full extension, but much more and better than before.

The cable of the front brake had frayed. Got both cables replaced.

A nice set of new resin pedals as well.

Lots of trial and error on the handle. Put the end bars on the inside of the brake brackets, facing inwards (each other). Bad idea.

Replaced the short OE (thick grips) with wide (but very thin) grips. Again a bad idea. The grips are too thin, hurt the palms. Though at least they are wide. Please suggest where I can get thicker/softer grips from.

Now my gears which were working perfectly before have become very tight on the right side (for rear derailleur). Wonder why. Maybe he over tightened the allen bolt on the shifter cassete while loosening and taking it off to get the bull bars inside. Or the top and bottom parts are misaligned while doing the same. I cannot think of a another reason.

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Two days of cycling done. 20 kms on the first day, 25 kms on the second.
Replaced the short OE (thick grips) with wide (but very thin) grips. Again a bad idea. The grips are too thin, hurt the palms. Though at least they are wide. Please suggest where I can get thicker/softer grips from.

Now my gears which were working perfectly before have become very tight on the right side (for rear derailleur). Wonder why. Maybe he over tightened the allen bolt on the shifter cassete while loosening and taking it off to get the bull bars inside. Or the top and bottom parts are misaligned while doing the same. I cannot think of a another reason.
Good going!

Similar issue here. All of a sudden; my Bianchi's FD has failed.

Wonder how it happened. Another DIY Tuneup will sort things out I guess.

A friend has my set of allen keys. Will have to force him to return 'em I guess. And then tune the bike.

And then buy a set of panniers. Upgrade the tires.....

Life goes on; no?
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