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Old 12th March 2007, 00:14   #31
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Well,
I agree it is the fault of the drivers but lets not ignore Hyundai's role either.
The Verna's tyres ae too skinny and the reason foir this is cost cutting. Nothing else.
Also, if a car manufacturer provides a car with such power, they atleast provide an adiquate suspension and safety features with the car.
Look at the Octavia vRS. It comes with ABS and Airbags and a host of other features and more importantly, it can handle the power. Same with the fiesta. A person driving the fiesta at high speeds is in full control of the car whereas, in the case of the Verna, the car's chassis can't handle the power it hs been given and it is bound to meet with some accidents. That's the reason for the Hyundai Bashing on this thread.
Remember, with great power comes great responsibilty.
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This accident may be due to the drivers fault but the car is a high tech modern car with low tech stopping power. The auto manufacturers should be responsible enough to provide the masses with equally good safety and stopping power along with the power of engine as an option atleast and in this respect the manufacturers are at fault. Lets not start the debate whether ABS is required for city driving or not in this thread but IMO, ABS is a MUST.
Com'on...if verna has so low tech stopping power then what about NHC. Verrna takes 52.1 meters from 100kmph-0 and NHC takes 54.2 meters to get to zero from same speed. Its clearly a case of reckless driving. But I agree with theMAGÖthat the soft suspension at Verna should be addressed by Hyundai.
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rohit,
it depends on how the car was stopped.
If engine braking was used, then it is possible that the verna brakes better but in a panic situation, people just tend to press the brakes.
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rohit,
it depends on how the car was stopped.
If engine braking was used, then it is possible that the verna brakes better but in a panic situation, people just tend to press the brakes.
I guess you missed my point or I was not clear enough. All I want to stress is its not the breaks that has a problem in Verna. Itís the soft suspension thatís not inviting confidence at high speeds. I had same fears when I bought Verna. But after driving it above 150 kmph numerous times I am quite use to how the car will behave in a panic situation and how I will handle it. Verna is a monster and it behaves and misbehaves like a monster.
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Old 12th March 2007, 01:36   #35
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Guys!! Why is it irritating many that the Verna has caused an accident and killed 3?? So, does many other perfectly safe cars happen to be crashing too.
Why should the Verna be a scapegoat here?

The car has awesome power. Agreed. And many here blame it to be poor on brakes. Before somebody writes it and confirm this, I would suggest all to please try the brakes couple a times. Yes, go hire/test drive a Verna for a day or 2 and live with the car for some time. That will help one make a decision about a car. A mere test drive won't reveal much of it's true colour. That is just a sample of what the real package may look like.

ABS saves cars from crahes. This is a fact and agreed by almost everybody. So, an ABS equipped Verna will be far safer than what a non ABS Verna is. But to say the car has ill fated brakes is a bit too much. There are far worse brakes in many cars sold in India.

This accident was certainly caused due to driver error. The car was out on test drive. And the guy was very much happy to see the Open stretch with a Verna under his feet. He never thought about any other thing and literally flew on the road. But that part of highway/byepass is very dangerous with lot of crossings that are completely unmarked. And the autorickshaws here doesn't care of oncoming traffic before they do their mysterious job of blind turns onto it.
I think it is better to hit those rickshaws and make them less on our roads.

Why the Arrest?
Some news has been leaked out. It says the driver was drunk and didn't carry a valid driver's license. And it was not an arrest on the spot. They were taken away by the police for further medical check ups and legal formalities. They were arrested later.
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Old 12th March 2007, 02:07   #36
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From now on we sue the alcohol beverage company whose product the celebrity killer drank before he crashed his great big SUV (sue them too, the ECU couldnt figure out how to avoid collision) into unsuspecting public!! Come on lads....give me a break.
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There nis no substitute for the Rash and reckless driving. Any amount advanced technology (which is available in india, I am not talking about object sensor based automated driving), wouldn't have avoided this accident, unless driver was under the control. There is no logic in blaming car, a driver should also know the capabilities of teh car, before reaching that speed.

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Old 12th March 2007, 08:36   #38
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In this particular case the car's not at fault. It's entirely the drivers fault.

And the brakes of the Verna are not at all poor. They are very good. The only thing is that they lock up easily which is probably due to the tyres.

In the case of the Petrol XXi which has better tyres there is a marked difference in the handling and the braking. Agreed it has ABS but the ABS doesnt come on easily meaning the tyres dont come to the stage of locking.

It's a very capable car and the suspension is very good. There is no fault in the car. You dont feel the speeds it can touch. It's happen to me a few occasions. I felt i was doing 90-100kmph, when i glanced at the speedo I saw 135kmph.

The OHC Vtec had more power, 175 tyres and no ABS. It's just that the driver wasnt responsible in this case.
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Old 12th March 2007, 09:20   #39
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yeah man another variable turbo timing set-up destroyed,and please dont blame companies,they dont expect morons to swerve around with their car on streets they shouldnt. would you blame ferrari if you see Sanjay dutt bend a fender?
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Made for sad reading... and condolences to the victims.

Blaming the car under these circumstances isnt the solution. As someone said, "with great power comes great responsiblity"... that should have been directed towards the driver, and not necessarily the car in question. Performing such moronic stunts on public roads shows total disregard to public safety, and lack of concern to loss of life and property.

Blaming the car here is like how Pulsars initially bore the brunt of the blame in all accidents involving them. If one does not know how to handle a machine, one must not push it to its limits, or beyond one's limits.

20 year olds..... indulging in such acts... they will wriggle out of it somehow, but how can anyone replace the people who lost their lives?
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Can anyone post the pics please ?
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hey all ,
i was away for 15 days and lots of replies.it was pure reckless driving.the verna vgt is a controlable car as im owning one i have never felt its a car lacking control.and for the info abs cars are good for slippery conditions else normal brakes are better as abs vehicles take a longer stopping distance than normal cars.this is due to the difference between rolling friction and sliding friction.someone mentioned about cars which actually dont give the impression of fast speeds which they are doing.thats not true.this is mainly due to the quality and better nvh that you are not aware of the speed.a good driver actually have to know the speeds his car is doing ,obviously thats why you got a speedo.
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i forgot to mention a few things
now the verna is comming with wider rubber-185 65 r14.and why abs standard when you have it as option for a puny 20000rs
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now the verna is comming with wider rubber-185 65 r14....
Ahhhhh. That's good news
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Hyundai needs to take note of this and give better rubber and have all VGT's with standard ABS fitment.

thank you Hyundai.
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