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Old 10th April 2007, 17:28   #31
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So you are implying that the software business is same as Havala and drug dealers.
The joke could well become true if the stalwarts of our IT industry fail to acknowledge the Indian constitutional requirements. Found this interesting article in IBN.

IBNLive : D P Satish's Blog

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The President (the real one) was in Mysore on Sunday. But what greeted A.P.J. Abdul Kalam was not the mellifluous rendition of Rabindranath Tagore's poem by human beings, but-in the grand tradition of call centres that India's IT "revolution" somewhat exemplifies-a prerecorded electronic version that sounded more like a cheap non-polyphonic cellphone ringtone...............
"Indeed we had arranged for five people to sing the anthem. But then we cancelled it as we have foreigners on-board here. They should not be embarrassed while we sing the anthem."
Yes, you read that right. He thinks that foreigners should not be embarrassed while we sing our national anthem. We want him to be the next President.
Infosys said last year it had some 1,800 foreigners on its rolls. But there are no precise figures on how many foreigners were at the Infosys Leadership Institute aka the Mysore campus, which is designed to seat 6,400 students , yesterday. But it is on record that it had offered jobs to 126 students from 82 foreign universities last year.
Even if that figure of foreigners is ten times greater, does it mean Mr Murthy's company is willing to slavishly mute his nation's anthem for their sake?
If that is OK, why is it difficult for Infosys' iPod wearing foreigners to listen to a 52-second, five-stanza number? Or for their faculty to make them listen to it?
But, above all, coming to a foreign country, to a foreign city, to a foreign company is all about learning, appreciating, assimilating, understanding, and respecting that country's, that city's, that company's culture.
If Infosys' foreigners-all 126 of or whatever multiples of them-are not doing that, then they have missed a vital ingredient of their education and even more vital ingredient of their excursion. .......
NRN may not be a greedy businessman with his eye only on profits. He may be good at heart. But his corporate philosopy allows no space for healthy cultural pride. Corporate success is his mantra, and he is blind to everything else around him.............


Narayana Murthy is a hero to decultured middle class Indians who have made money because of economic liberalisation. He is a "beacon of hope" to armchair journalists. But for the majority Indians, he has now become a symbol of middle class nonsense and upper class arrogance.
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So you are implying that the software business is same as Havala and drug dealers. I know there was a joke floating on the internet about similarities between Drug dealers and Coders, but did not know you actually believed it
No I am not. You didnt get my bigger point. Just because a company earns in USDs , Euros or GBPs or creates employment, it does not mean that they are above the law of the land.. Earning in foreign exchange does not exempt anyone from following common , basic laws of the land. .e.g. are the traffic laws in India different if you earn in USDs?
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So finally a successful businessman who will be turned into successful politician by the people. Anybody can become a politician, only needs popularity. So how does get a quick and larger popularity. Controversy is a quick and effective one. Since India does have Freedom of speech, and an effective way to give out controversial statements and become popular and just before the election call for a mass-meeting with people in palace grounds and apologise and takeout a big and beautiful people oriented initiative and accuse some MP/MLA (his opposition). He finally wins and emerges as a NEW Promising leader of India..

Anyway I saw Mr. NarayanMurthy not different from any irresponsible worker during his quiting of Chairmanship of BIAL. If we can analyse what happened, Mr Infy was asked by a Govt officer (Mr Gowda) on why did the Airport project was delayed for long time. Just as any manager would ask his reportee about a report. If the reportee is professional, then he would list those points which he finds are responsible for delay. May be the Government would have used this as learning for their other projects. But instead our Mr.Infy sought to runaway by resigning. by doing this he -Got public sympathy, Blame Mr.Gowda (foe of his friend Mr.Krishna). he was in a responsible position and appointed by the govt. So being responsible means able to respond when asked for/ when required.

If Mr.Infy becomes President, I have doubts whether S/w & h/w industry will be benefitted or the Indians who remember & sing the Anthem
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What a load of crap! The MLB season in the States starts with the Star Spangled Banner, as does the NHL and the NBA and MLS. And they all have a vast contingent of foreign players. It's just us Indians who are all shy of showing our patriotism.

Narayanmurthy is a blithering idiot and a hypocrite of the highest order. For someone who prides himself on morals and values, he was surprisingly silent on the Phaneesh Murthy issue. I could tell you stories of his idiocy for hours.
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If protocol demands that the national anthem be sung when the President is around and if as reported, NRN avoided it citing his foreign employees, it is plain shoddy and wrong behaviour on his part. What is there to be embarassed when the national anthem of any country is being sung ? I don't get it.

I don't think any citizen anywhere would think/act on these lines.
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wow this is just sad, foreign employees,is that the best excuse he could come up with, i have played on a team in US, which had 3 Indians, 2 Pakistani among others, standing in line singing US anthem, so why can't bunch of them on our soil adapt.
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take this with a pinch of salt. Its not smart to believe everything you read in the newspapers.

Also, people express their patriotism in different ways. Some like to sing it out loud. Some like Mr Murthy go out and build India's finest companies.

Think about this situation: You have one guy standing by the side of the road holding up a little flag. On the other side of the road is a guy with sweat dripping down his face because he's spent the whole day laying concrete to widen the road. Now are you gonna scream at him because he didnt take two minutes out to hold up a little flag?
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Think about this situation: You have one guy standing by the side of the road holding up a little flag. On the other side of the road is a guy with sweat dripping down his face because he's spent the whole day laying concrete to widen the road. Now are you gonna scream at him because he didnt take two minutes out to hold up a little flag?
Yes, but funnily enough, NRN has been quoted as saying this. And he's not busy laying roadworks either. He spends his time befriending and defending rapists and abusers.
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Think about this situation: You have one guy standing by the side of the road holding up a little flag. On the other side of the road is a guy with sweat dripping down his face because he's spent the whole day laying concrete to widen the road. Now are you gonna scream at him because he didnt take two minutes out to hold up a little flag?
That is not a fair comparison.

1) The issue here isnt that the national anthem wasnt sung. The issue is that the singing of the national anthem was cancelled because foreign employees would feel 'uncomfortable'.

Even if the national anthem was sung I dont see how it can make any person uncomfortable. Look at Formula One, at the podium the national anthem of the winning drivers and contructors is played and all the drivers take their caps off and stand straight as a mark of respect. You never see any of the drivers feeling uncomfortable or not showing respect.

2) Mr Narayana Murthy isnt an ordinary man. Besides founding one of the biggest companies in India, he is also being considered to be the next President of the country and thus his every move will be watched closely.

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Think about this situation: You have one guy standing by the side of the road holding up a little flag. On the other side of the road is a guy with sweat dripping down his face because he's spent the whole day laying concrete to widen the road. Now are you gonna scream at him because he didnt take two minutes out to hold up a little flag?
To hold the Indian tricolour or not is a personal decision. I don't think it is mentioned anywhere that we need to hold a flag at any time or during any event. You could be a patriotic citizen without ever having held the flag in your hand in your life. But if you do choose to hold it, you need to take care to ensure that its dignity is upheld.

Very different from avoiding the national anthem from being sung, when it is expressly required under the circumstance in discussion.
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I shudder to think of the day when grumpy becomes the President.
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I dont think he ever could after this little peek into his personal preference
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Here comes an apology

Narayana Murthy apologises on national anthem issue - Sify.com
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What a crap apology. He isn't apologising for what he said or did, he's apologising if the media statement hurt anyone. And he's saying they all sang along. This is NRN and the Infy spin doctors at work.

EL, he won't have any issues becoming Prez. His PR machinery has turned him into a god in BLR, whereas he's just another grubby white-worshipper in reality.
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I second v1p3r on this... great reply mate!
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