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Old 28th April 2007, 15:05   #16
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He doesn't drink daru any more, he's allegedly found a substitute - organic milk!!!!!!
Suman, u confused it a bit ... i offered him free daroo , not him offering me free daroo !!!

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Also what people are not aware of are the hormonal injections that are given to the animals to increase yield ... and that has a lot of side effects on the children who consume it .

If you wondering why Im so interested .. Its coz I just started a dairy for Organic Milk in Gurgaon . !!

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adulteration in milk. it is rampnat in UP, punjab, rajasthan and adjoining areas. it is more synthetic milk sold as milk. ( it contains mostly soya milk, urea etc)
regarding hormones dont believe what you see in TV's. they sensationalise the trivial issues. there is no such thing as hormone which will increase milk production immediately. what was shown in Tv is oxytocin ( it is milk let down hormone) it is released in the cow's body naturally just before milk is released from udder. it is controlled by conditioned reflex( seeing calf at the same time daily, sound of milking machine, or milk cans, even approach of the time of milking causes this hormones relelased from brain and this inturn contracts the milk veins to release the milk. you having a dairy you try this daily poke the animal with injection needle at the same time. it will allow you to milk without calf. indian pharma companies know this. i doubt wheather there is any oxytocin in the vials sold in market . it is most probably water(distilled)
oxytocin is the same hormone which also responsible along with other hormones for assisting delivery ( humans or animals)

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Dear Khaadu Bhai
adulteration in milk. it is rampnat in UP, punjab, rajasthan and adjoining areas. it is more synthetic milk sold as milk. ( it contains mostly soya milk, urea etc)
regarding hormones dont believe what you see in TV's. they sensationalise the trivial issues. there is no such thing as hormone which will increase milk production immediately. what was shown in Tv is oxytocin ( it is milk let down hormone) it is released in the cow's body naturally just before milk is released from udder. it is controlled by conditioned reflex( seeing calf at the same time daily, sound of milking machine, or milk cans, even approach of the time of milking causes this hormones relelased from brain and this inturn contracts the milk veins to release the milk. you having a dairy you try this daily poke the animal with injection needle at the same time. it will allow you to milk without calf. indian pharma companies know this. i doubt wheather there is any oxytocin in the vials sold in market . it is most probably water(distilled)
oxytocin is the same hormone which also responsible along with other hormones for assisting delivery ( humans or animals)

Hey, I agree that oxytocin is produced in the animals for let down of milk and its used daily with animals like buffaloes so that the entore milk is let down , whereas in normal circumstances the entire milk isnt let down . As for it being available in the market .. trust me it is but if one is to just walk up to a chemist and ask for it , chabces are that he will refuse or rather deny that he has it .

And I dont believe what the Media says , I have been told by senior people in the dairy industry that it is used and is very bad for the health of the animal injected with it as well as the child who drinks that milk ... so who do I believe ??? And if it wasn't an issue , why wud it be BANNED by the govt -- and be allowed under special circumstances ??

As for synthetic milk , thats probably even worse ... imagine drinking a cocktail of Urea, Eazee washing powder, Cooking oil , etc etc ??? Specially when one thinks of lil children drinking it , or pregnant mothers drinking it ..... I know it happens in the belts that you mentioned and thats the reason why I set up a dairy , I aint even allowed to give anto biotics to the animals on my farm -- have to resort to homeopathy , and if I HAVE TO HAVE TO use anti biotics on one of the animals , I can't use that animals milk if I wanna be certified as Organic .

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oxytocin given as injection for milk let down will not be secreted in to milk under any circumstances. if iam right it is a protein hormone so if it is ingested ( that will be the case if milk is consumed) it gets digested. for oxytocin to have the desired effect it has to be in blood as it is. exactly the same reason why a snake poison is not that dangerous if consumed versus bitten. snake venom is also protein.
antibiotic therapy is ok but you can not use the milk for 7 days( in case you r giving it for 5 days) this is especially true if they are injected in to teats.but if it is given I/M not big problem unless you are planning to export the milk where Ab residues will lead to rejection. but i assure you whatever way you try you will find traces of ab and pesticide residue in milk because the feed contains it( maize, bran, cakes and fodder) pesticide residue remain for years in soil. so it will take years of organic farming on a large scale to eliminate these things completely
go through the link to see the side effects of oxytocin
OXYTOCIN - INJECTABLE (Pitocin) side effects, medical uses, and drug interactions.
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IIRC, such an expose took place amongst Mumbai dairies too, a few years ago. Couldnt believe they made it from flour and some oil and what not. Made a little bit mixture in a pan and then diluted that concentrate.
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oxytocin given as injection for milk let down will not be secreted in to milk under any circumstances. if iam right it is a protein hormone so if it is ingested ( that will be the case if milk is consumed) it gets digested. for oxytocin to have the desired effect it has to be in blood as it is. exactly the same reason why a snake poison is not that dangerous if consumed versus bitten. snake venom is also protein.
antibiotic therapy is ok but you can not use the milk for 7 days( in case you r giving it for 5 days) this is especially true if they are injected in to teats.but if it is given I/M not big problem unless you are planning to export the milk where Ab residues will lead to rejection. but i assure you whatever way you try you will find traces of ab and pesticide residue in milk because the feed contains it( maize, bran, cakes and fodder) pesticide residue remain for years in soil. so it will take years of organic farming on a large scale to eliminate these things completely
go through the link to see the side effects of oxytocin
OXYTOCIN - INJECTABLE (Pitocin) side effects, medical uses, and drug interactions.
Hey, You are right in saying that chances of oxytocin getting absorbed by the body but at the same time the residues do stay in the system and those CAN cause problems ...and you say milk cannot be used for 7 days, what happens when the injection is given on a daily basis --- the 7 day period doesn't end at all. Also these injection do cause a lot of pain to the animals as and when injected .

As for residue in the fields , thats exactly why we are different in our dairy as the Maize, wheat , etc etc is also grown without any chemical fertilizers and the land we growing it on has not been cultivated for about 15-16 yrs !! The lab tests have shown that there are no residues in the fields nor in the ground water .

It is an attemot by us to try and offer as pure as we can get products ... !! We have been doing organic farming for about 7 yrs in our apple orchards in HP ... and this is an attempt to just expand the families activities . Rest depends on the response of the people of Gurgaon and Delhi , though so far we have had a good response .

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iam referring to ration when i said maize, bran and cakes. you do procure them from market. you can raise fodder but you have to buy ration form market.but i appreciated your attempt in producing organic milk. antibiotic residues do not stay for long especially in comparison with pesticides. oxytocin can remain as residue. it gets digested as it is a biological product not inorganic as pesticides . it is the same reason why iam saying antibiotics also do not stay as residue for long . Antibiotics means chemical substances produced by one microorganism which can be used against the other.
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iam referring to ration when i said maize, bran and cakes. you do procure them from market. .
Hi, I said that the ration is also not bought from the market but grown organically on certified farms ... We are allowed to use a lil incase it aint available near by but we are hoping that a year from now we will have everything from the certified growers and thus not a hint of residue .

As for anti biotics .. they just aint allowed no matter if their residue stays or not ... thats just one of the conditions !!!

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All you need is a filthy 1200 Rs TV Tuner card to record all the stupid things you need on to any number of GBs you want in any quality you want it. Give your PC a try.
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... I dont use any of this on my farm , .. infact I dont even use any chemical fertilisers in my fields . Everything is grown using conventional methods ....
Psst! Khaadu! How 'bout growing some spiky leaved plants for 'medicinal' purposes... ?

An' how bout sending some of those to Bombay for needy friends...? Organic farming rocks! Didn't you say you were located close to Manali?
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Psst! Khaadu! How 'bout growing some spiky leaved plants for 'medicinal' purposes... ?

An' how bout sending some of those to Bombay for needy friends...? Organic farming rocks! Didn't you say you were located close to Manali?
Pssst ELF, between you and me .... this spiky leavedplant grows in abundance oin my farm , and you know what I do with it -- NO NO , not rub it on my palms and then send it across the country to my friends . Instead we pluck them out -- DRY them in the sun -- and then spread it all across the boundary -- it acts as an insect repellant ( it wont repel you ) !!! And don't go LAMBASTING me for wasting it ......

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