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Old 20th January 2017, 09:19   #91
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They are riding on emotions, and ignoring the orders. .... As it stands as long as the SCI judgement is not modified all Indian are obliged to follow them. I do agree with him that trying to bring an ordinance to stop the order may not be wise.
Among the very few (Or is there one?) instances in this world,

1. Youth have conducted peaceful protests instead of indulging in violence.
2. State CM has met the PM and is taking lawful remedy instead of putting a drama by sleeping in the road; or taking to twitter and posting crap; or hurling abuses at the centre and doing nothing else.

Yes people in TN are emotional but what order did they ignore??? What law/rule did they break?

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what order did they ignore??? What law/rule did they break?
Protests are largely peaceful. But blocking highways and railways is not really within the law.

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Meanwhile, political parties are trying to hijack the protests.
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TN govt has decided to promulgate an ordinance allowing Jallikattu. It will come into force in 2 days.
Ordinance will be issued after getting President’s assent in a day or two

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Among the very few (Or is there one?) instances in this world,

1. Youth have conducted peaceful protests instead of indulging in violence.
2. State CM has met the PM and is taking lawful remedy instead of putting a drama by sleeping in the road; or taking to twitter and posting crap; or hurling abuses at the centre and doing nothing else.

Yes people in TN are emotional but what order did they ignore??? What law/rule did they break?
I hear the first five paragraphs of the order of the Hon SCI lists the main issues. Instead of emoting they should be brought to the fore and addressed.

If they are silly, then that too should be argued with reasons. afaik it will take minimal legislation / regulation to stop the 'atrocities'.

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I can understand the people are not happy with the banning of the event. There is a big investment by means of effort on time and occasion/tradition into the event by means of raising and maintaining the bulls etc. All this is being taken away.

I love animals and would like if such an event wouldn't take place. But with good regulation, it can be held without harming the animals too much. They need to make sure that these events are controlled/registered and held as per agreed regulations. If people think the bulls are happy because they were fed well before the event, it would be a lie. But then there is a lot of hypocrisy in the way animals are treated and these things are never addressed :(

Coming to the protests, I think politics is playing a big part also. It will only complicate the matter going forward and is better if the issue can be solved quickly.

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My Wife's cousin, who's a super active participant with Jallikattu at Marina for last few days got to say some truth about youths participating in rail roko, aircraft roko or ship roko etc...

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I hear the first five paragraphs of the order of the Hon SCI lists the main issues. Instead of emoting they should be brought to the fore and addressed.

If they are silly, then that too should be argued with reasons. afaik it will take minimal legislation / regulation to stop the 'atrocities'.
Legal remedy is what is being sought. I don't know what emotional distress is caused to others by seeing passionate people getting emotional about their culture/tradition that they advice not to emote.

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Protests are largely peaceful. But blocking highways and railways is not really within the law.

Meanwhile, political parties are trying to hijack the protests.[/url]
Your post itself has the details of who's blocking roads or railway lines😀
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Your post itself has the details of who's blocking roads or railway lines��
Please see my previous post, especially the 2nd link. I am posting the link again.

Students force train to a halt in Madurai

I agree that protests have been largely peaceful. But road and rail blockades by youths, without any political leadership, have definitely occured.

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A good article I read in the TOI today. What is fuelling the protests? Seems worthy a read and you actually start thinking if its about Jallikattu at all

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Jallikattu protests spread: What is fuelling the fire

CHENNAI: Is it love for Tamil culture that has brought tens of thousands of youngsters to the streets in Tamil Nadu in the name of jallikattu , virtually holding the state government hostage? Yes and no.

For the protester and the sympathiser, it's a fight for one's cultural heritage being trampled upon by biased, insensitive, even ignorant, decision-makers. Look beyond the placard-holding student who is boycotting classes to be a sentinel of Tamil culture+ and you see a deeper reason: angst of a second-generation muffled through systemic de-politicisation of campuses.

What makes this reading difficult for even the discerning is that the protester himself is not conscious that he represents a generation denied the right to stand up and be heard. With the last of powerful leaders gone with Jayalalithaa''s death+ , what we see today could be an eruption of that pent-up anger, say observers. Jallikattu came as a spark, with all the ingredients of hurt pride and unrecognised valour.

The prime culprit here, says political commentator Gnani Sankaran, is M Karunanidhi, who quelled two student protests in the 1970s, one in Trichy Clive's college hostel and the other in Annamalai University. Ironically, his party had ridden the student wave during the anti-Hindi agitations to attain power. Not much of the Trichy history remains in public domain, but old-timers remember the hostel residents' attempt to protest being met with police lathis.

In 1972, when Annamalai University decided to confer a doctorate on Karunanidhi, who was then CM, the Students Federation of India organised a protest. Police beat up activists and a body was found in a water tank on the campus. Many students identified it as that of Udayakumar, a second year maths student. After a state-wide protest by the SFI, the government set up an inquiry panel which submitted the body was not of Udayakumar.

"There was fear," says retired judge K Chandru, who led the stir as an SFI neta. "But an organisation like the SFI had enough members to sacrifice. There are not many now."
MGR, who became CM in 1977, wasn't much different. "He crushed several protests," says C Lakshmanan, associate professor at Madras Institute of Development Studies. Jayalalithaa continued with the legacy, ensuring that students union elections were not fought on political lines. Adds Lakshmanan, "Students unions are either non-existent or hand-picked without political banners. This de-politicisation is at the core of the jingoism that we are seeing now."

Chandru says DMK not just depoliticised campuses, it also diverted youths' attention from greater issues to Tamil causes. "The result is today's students interact less with each other over ideas, and social media has occupied the space. This leads to interested parties playing puppetry," says the former judge who sees "the jallikattu movement" as a mix of spontaneous crowds and some pulled in by such parties. "But the sad thing is that most of our students have no political orientation," says Chandru.
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Interesting read.

http://www.dailyo.in/variety/jallika...y/1/15014.html
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