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Old 13th May 2015, 11:52   #316
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Ok you need some strict lessons here, and take it in positive spirits. You are still in college (4months). Until 2 years you will be treated as a fresher no matter what is your specialization. We have been changing profile of people after recruitment. And if you change your company in 4 months, believe me you will never be stable ever. This black spot may not show up immediately but after 4-5 years of exp it will be always asked. Your reason saying 'the work was not good that is why I left in 4 months' is not convincing enough for recruiters. I have been personally rejecting such profile even before screening.
I have a different POV. Am in Human Resources and can say this, the days of tallying work ex on resumes to arrive at an evaluation of a prospective employee's skills are on its last legs. The new age companies are interested in what you know and not how long you have been with a particular organization. This is especially true in technology where changes take place at a rapid pace and what earns your bread today is redundant tomorrow. Its for the OP to decide is staying in an organization is a good use of his and both the company's time and not because its going to look bad on his resume a few years hence. This is especially true at the beginning of ones career as one has little 'on the job' exposure. The worst thing one can do at the start of ones career journey is to evaluate jobs on the basis of the 'brand value' of the company, next comes pay. Focus on stints which play to your strengths and listen to your heart. I agree with you that one should patiently evaluate these moves and not jump just because things aren't looking great.


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Here is what it is- Every company can afford exponentially higher salary than what is actually paid. For your experience, standard salary in Bangalore is 16 lakhs average and if you are extra-ordinary you can fetch upwards of 20 lakhs. I know it may sound heavy to you, but its not heavy for payers. And companies paying these salaries are not likes of Google/FB etc.

Being in IT you can jump and grow as per your caliber. When I was moving out of Wipro after 4 years of experience, I jumped from a yearly salary of 2.2 lakhs to 9.5 lakhs. And yeah I asked for that package with an open mouth.
Companies will pay hand over fist purely basis supply and demand; if an emergent skill is currently hot, and being emergent few skilled folks around, companies will pay higher even at the risk of disturbing internal parity. If a particular skill is dime a dozen you will see the same companies nitpicking over every penny, thats the simple rule of supply and demand. Also bear in mind that all large organizations will have pay ranges (min,max) based on each job; it is possible that you get a lucrative offer to incentivize the move and then settle for peanuts once you have joined and the regular review cycles come around. Having your current pay quadrupled can only happen if you were being badly overpaid in your previous job. And yes, I agree you should be upfront about your expectations, provided you know the current trends in your field. Generalist skills like people/program management are currently a dime a dozen and there are many who will be priced out of the market given that these skills are in adequate supply.

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I agree with the advise tendered by Bhargava. I will add the GMAT perspective. Just to give you a small background, I am a non-IT guy, served in the Indian army as a Major before I decided recently to come here in US. I was in dilemma whether to go for MBA or MS. GMAT was 690. I chose MS and here is my experience.

1. The MS in STEM program authorizes 29 months of work permit(OPT).
2. The IT offers wider job opportunities.
3. The graduate schools look at GMAT as a qualifying criteria mainly.
4. The resume, SOP and the interview help them decide whether the candidate's present skills can be aligned with their program to make him/her job ready at the time of graduation or during internship/CPT.
5. The ROI is better for MS as the initial capital is comparatively lesser than MBA.

Hope this is useful. In case, you need any more information, please feel free to PM.

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Hey all,

Need some expert advice towards the dilemma I'm currently facing.

To give you a small background, I did my BE in Mechanical Engineering and went to the US immediately on graduation to do my MS in the same field. Due to the sensitive nature of the courses I had undertaken, I was not able to obtain any job there as they were restricted to US citizens/green card holders. Hence, I returned to India and started my career at a well known company in mechanical engineering. Over the course of nearly 2 years, I gained a lot of knowledge in the industry that I worked in, however, came to the conclusion that future job prospects were not great. Realizing the above, I was able to transition to an automobile engineering tech firm, where I am currently working at the moment.

Now, with around 4 years of total experience, I am finding myself at a crossroads type situation. Two alternatives that I have currently are,

1. Continue with my job, pay is not great, progress is organic at best.

2. Start applying to MBA colleges, pursue a degree next year and open up more opportunities (hopefully).

Please help me understand the benefits and problems of the paths that I have in front of me.

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1. Continue with my job, pay is not great, progress is organic at best.

2. Start applying to MBA colleges, pursue a degree next year and open up more opportunities (hopefully).

Please help me understand the benefits and problems of the paths that I have in front of me.

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What about the job security in your new company? Is it a govt/semi-govt organisation? A PSU ? If private - how do you see long term job security?

When one is young, its easy to overlook the factor of job security, but as ones gain experience, this becomes a very important factor - specially in today's scenario.

I would say don't chase money if you like your current job and the future prospects look fine. Money earned is not so important today. Money *invested* is.
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I need a sincere advice for one of my neice who has appeared for 12th CBSE board exam in science stream.

after her 12th , her family is pushing her to pursue Engg courses ( she appeared for JEE, plus other private colleges like SRM, manipal etc), but she is more interested to do BBA course ( 3 years)...through symbiosis, IIM Indore, Narrsee Monjee etc. Understood she appeared for the entrance tests as well.

I dont have any idea on this BBA course and its future in current job market / higher study scenario.

It will be great , if some of you can shed some light on this as to whether she should pursue this BBA option at all. whether this strangulate her academic career or its a good future option going forward.

Your inputs might play a good role in our decision to convince her/ family.
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I need a sincere advice for one of my neice who has appeared for 12th CBSE board exam in science stream.

after her 12th , her family is pushing her to pursue Engg courses ( she appeared for JEE, plus other private colleges like SRM, manipal etc), but she is more interested to do BBA course ( 3 years)...through symbiosis, IIM Indore, Narrsee Monjee etc. Understood she appeared for the entrance tests as well.

I dont have any idea on this BBA course and its future in current job market / higher study scenario.

It will be great , if some of you can shed some light on this as to whether she should pursue this BBA option at all. whether this strangulate her academic career or its a good future option going forward.

Your inputs might play a good role in our decision to convince her/ family.
I am a commerce student currently pursuing BBA from NMIMS (Narsee Monjee Institute of Management Studies). Chose the course because most people i spoke to said it would keep options open for me in the future. Having studied here for two years now, i would honestly say that the teaching is not all that great and the management is a bit too strict. However, the brand name of the university helps a lot. There are on-campus placements in the college and although the college policy is very weird, people do get good packages ranging from Rs. 4-9 lakhs. So yes all in all it is worth it and the college does have a very good reputation when it comes down to BBA.

Many of my friends from science stream have taken up BBA simply because they did not like the stream they chose and hence decided to switch at the very beginning of graduate studies. I would say if your niece is more interested in the subjects done under BBA, let her go for it. The course is certainly good and gives some spare time to pursue your hobby as well. You can PM me for any specific query

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What about the job security in your new company? Is it a govt/semi-govt organisation? A PSU ? If private - how do you see long term job security?

When one is young, its easy to overlook the factor of job security, but as ones gain experience, this becomes a very important factor - specially in today's scenario.

I would say don't chase money if you like your current job and the future prospects look fine. Money earned is not so important today. Money *invested* is.
Thanks for the reply DCEite,

I work in a Private company, but job security is not an issue. The issue is more like repetition of the work that I'm getting currently, which leads to less and less satisfaction.

Money is an important criteria for me at this point of time, as my family are pretty dependent on it and my current income is not sufficient for the things that I want to do.

With above in view, do you think its a good idea for me to pursue an MBA? will my MS in any way hamper my application prospects? Also, is my experience level good enough to ensure an entry to Mid level management upon graduation?

Many Thanks!
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Hi,

Having studied in one of the premier undergraduate institute in India, the College of Business Studies(CBS), DU, I can relate to the engineering vs BBA/BBS debate. I would recommend that a good reputation of the college matters a lot. The industry participates in the training events and post completion employment opportunities. My CBS coursemates are well placed as merchant bankers and Harvard graduates working as entrepreneurs or for companies like CITI Bank.
The admission to such colleges is tough and requires one to well adapted to the written and interview examination process. But the fruits of making it through the rigor of those three years in a good college pays off exceedingly well.
The current Miss India happens to be from CBS too, just a FYI and a possible career option.

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Thanks all for your inputs.

I understand that as a fresher and in a service based MNC, I have little control on what technology or project I get to work on.

My only concern was that if working on a domain/tool which is specific to cater a limited applications - i.e. the Oracle Siebel in my case, will I ever able to justify during interviews in new companies that I can work on .net/java but since I would not have the experience of working on those technology specific projects. And will that have an affect in terms of the hike in new salary in those companies when compared to my other friends who are actually working on core development projects in startup companies!

I requested my manager to put me on core development part and he even assigned me a project which had to be developed for internal portal for our team using java but it was pulled off because of higher orders which asked my manager to use the resource for the intended purpose of the team.

Though in my current profile we have L3 maintenance and support which involves coding but it is mostly in js and siebel specific softwares - it has its own tools for development. For database I do have sql development in Oracle 10g.

Also my manager is willing to further assign me an db admin role in the team along with L3 maintenance.

PS- One of my team mates suggested me to do a correspondence MBA from Amity/Ignou/Symbiosis to fullfill my mba thurst But upon enquiring Symbiosis provides diploma whereas Amity/Ignou provides degree. But I am skeptical about the worth of a correspondance MBA degree in enhancing my career or affecting my future salary if I turn into Business Analyst after, say, 5 years of working in IT industry.
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but she is more interested to do BBA course ( 3 years)...through symbiosis, IIM Indore, Narrsee Monjee etc. Understood she appeared for the entrance tests as well.
I think this should be enough to convince her family more than anything. She is interested in BBA and appeared in entrance tests, so she obviously has an inclination towards that stream.

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You could always do MBA after completing the BBA course if there are not lucrative jobs available.
Atleast the stream would be similar instead of doing it after Engineering.
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My only concern was that if working on a domain/tool which is specific to cater a limited applications - i.e. the Oracle Siebel in my case, will I ever able to justify during interviews in new companies that I can work on .net/java but since I would not have the experience of working on those technology specific projects. And will that have an affect in terms of the hike in new salary in those companies when compared to my other friends who are actually working on core development projects in startup companies!
You can very much do that. Lets say you have experience in Oracle Siebel but interested to work in .NET/Java then you should mention small experience in that area in your cv. With that you will get call for .NET/Java based requirement and you should be ready with the interview preparations.
During the interview you can mention the real scenario about your Siebel experience and tell them about your inclination and preference.
Since you are still in a fresh state there will be room for exceptions.

But if I am the interviewer I would certainly ask why you want to move out of Siebel. If you say its not interesting then you are in deep soup since the next question is how much do u know about Siebel. Siebel Architects make more moolah than .NET/Java based people due to supply-demand gap.

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I requested my manager to put me on core development part and he even assigned me a project which had to be developed for internal portal for our team using java but it was pulled off because of higher orders which asked my manager to use the resource for the intended purpose of the team.

Though in my current profile we have L3 maintenance and support which involves coding but it is mostly in js and siebel specific softwares - it has its own tools for development. For database I do have sql development in Oracle 10g.

Also my manager is willing to further assign me an db admin role in the team along with L3 maintenance.
For first few years, normally you may not get specialization and its like that for good. Let me make you feel better- In my current team there are plenty of campus recruits with <2 years of experience (direct joiners from college). Since day-1 they had been working on Progress system. They have become specialist and have attained pretty good knowledge in Mortgage domain which is considered one of the most complex.
Now, the same guys have a problem. They don't know or cannot even talk about anything other than Progress. Time keeps changing thus the technology. They find it hard to grasp SQL since they use a different language. They don't know what is ERP, Web-Services, REST, Oracle, MySQL, etc. I know many are looking outside but they are unable to get an offer due to this issue.
So in the field of IT its important to diversify. After 3-5 years of exp you will automatically specialize.

DB admin is a good and evergreen area. Learn it well and concentrate on Data Modeling activities. As a Data Architect you can fit into any industry apart from IT and the work is pretty challenging and interesting. The role needs to wear multiple hats such as Product Manager, Technical Architect, Database Architect, Strategy consultant, CIO consultancy, Data Steward etc. There is a good supply-demand gap as well.

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PS- One of my team mates suggested me to do a correspondence MBA from Amity/Ignou/Symbiosis to fullfill my mba thurst But upon enquiring Symbiosis provides diploma whereas Amity/Ignou provides degree. But I am skeptical about the worth of a correspondance MBA degree in enhancing my career or affecting my future salary if I turn into Business Analyst after, say, 5 years of working in IT industry.
If you do MBA today then its not going to fetch fruits after 5 years and I am talking about full time MBA. Correspondence MBA has absolutely no value AT ALL !
To be a real BA, you need to have domain expertise which comes by experience. Campus recruits MBA placed as BA gets a different role (read mundane role) than experienced BAs. E.g. Campus MBA recruited as BA generate reports, documentation etc. experienced BA (basically Techies) analyse requirements, create use cases and at times work as a intermediary between technical architect and Business.

I would suggest you get a nice Bike and enjoy the time. You are trying to run faster than time. Your career is not in danger believe me.
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But I am skeptical about the worth of a correspondance MBA degree in enhancing my career
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Correspondence MBA has absolutely no value AT ALL !
I have to differ with both of you on this point.

Read the following thread to understand why.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shift...ml#post1937889
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This is regarding my younger sister.

She is in B.Tech(CSE) final year from Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University, Delhi and got placed in a typical service based IT company.

She also gave M.Tech(CSE) entrance exam and got a rank which is good enough to get program/institute of her choice.

Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University offers M.Tech in regular and weekend mode and she is eiligible for both.

Now the confusion is that whether she should continue to join her new company or go ahead with regular M.Tech from university campus or CDAC-noida which is affiliated to GGSIPU.

Second option she has to opt for weekend M.Tech(CSE) from university campus and the classes will be held on sat-sun and continue with her job.

Out of the mentioned scenarios what you guys recommend? Which will be best for future career growth prospects - continue higher studies with regular M.Tech or opt for Weekend M.Tech along with job?
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Out of the mentioned scenarios what you guys recommend? Which will be best for future career growth prospects - continue higher studies with regular M.Tech or opt for Weekend M.Tech along with job?

I find prospects of job after regular M.Tech a little tough in India. M.Tech. or M.S. is preferable in research industries like Aeronautics, Space, Bio technology, Chemistry, Polymer Science and others.

I would suggest to go for job along with weekend program of M.Tech. as in the last, what matters is your experience in the industry where it is often learning of skills that are hardly associated with educational curriculum.

The job will definitely make her to utilise M. Tech. degree as an opportunity to correlate practical learning with theory. Also, in M. Tech., she will need to do a thesis which she can choose from her work area and contribute to the job and earn recognition too.
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Now the confusion is that whether she should continue to join her new company or go ahead with regular M.Tech from university campus or CDAC-noida which is affiliated to GGSIPU.

Second option she has to opt for weekend M.Tech(CSE) from university campus and the classes will be held on sat-sun and continue with her job.
The IT industry in India has no need for M.Tech (CSE). In most Universities it is nothing but a bridge course for non-IT B.Techs to jump into CS field. Doing a regular M.Tech doesn't give any leg up in the industry.

I suggest she take up the job. Regarding weekend M.Tech, let her have a close look at the course syllabus. If it does appear to be bridge course, just skip it.
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