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Old 29th August 2008, 10:59   #61
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Yeah, but it's not exactly OTC or cheap, which the other options are. And, you can't drive for 24 hours! Blasphemy!
But there must be millions of women who suffer the much-more-invasive operation --- and a handful of men.

I read a newspaper report about the figures from a TN city. The number of women was in the hundred thousands. Men was ----- 12.

Yes, that is not a typo. Twelve.

All because of misconceptions.
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Old 29th August 2008, 11:12   #62
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ok now first things first... how do you guage population? By the dense penetration of people in a particular city or area. Why? Because industrial development does not take place in the smaller villages & smaller B- towns. If goverments take the initiative of setting up industries near villages it will help in many ways:
1. Obviously generate employment. (Factories are the most important providers of jobs for even non-skilled people)
2. Civic & Health Education at work.
3. Industries will be the best providers of healthcare which in the years to come will increase awareness about birth control & sex education.
4. Setting up industries will encourage ancilleries to set shop near the factory, generating even more employment.
5. Small shopkeepers, food sellers, etc. basically a whole market will set shop around the whole area.

See we cannot expect from nor rely on the goverment to provide facilities to the poor, all they have to do is sit down & think about giving facilities & major lucrative incentives to industries to set shop near villages with the condition to start dispenseries, small hospitals, basic schools (employees' wives can teach in these schools too) which will to an extent help control population due to increased awareness & also discourage migration to bigger cities thereby slowly reducing encroachments in cities. Just a POV. According to me it may help in a small way.

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Aaah.One of my favourite topics. Well, in a realistic sense, there is little we can do to control population now, given that majority of our popultaion falls in the 18-35 age group. That being said, what can be done is the channel these resources into the right stream to make them useful, rather than a burden on society, per capita income, and the likes.

In my opinion, Education is a key driver to this. And to drive the education agenda, there needs to be a ruler with an iron fist. Secondly, people need to be made aware about their basic rights, the constitution, the law. This will make alot of change.
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Old 29th August 2008, 11:29   #64
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The population of India is NOT a problem (please...we are talking about human life here).

Unfortunately, I get all worked up when I hear such statements (marked in bold in the quote above) ...and again, unfortunately, forum rules prevent me from expressing myself fully here. So I will refrain from commenting further on this thread.

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Although I don't want to make this personal, I am just going to have to say this, you changed my SN in your quote as "wrong" how immature are you? That is a personal attack from your side first.

Your post has not added any value to this discussion, there is a forum rule against that too, you should follow that while you;re on a rule following spree. If you have nothing to add except your own irrelevant feelings please refrain from posting in a thread.

As far talking about humans, its pretty obvious. The reason we need to control the population IS because human life is valuable, rich and poor. Over population strains the natural resources and we all know lots of people go to bed hungry many of them little kids. To prevent this we need to control population BECAUSE HUMAN LIFE IS IMPORTANT.

As for everyone that says that population is not a problem in this country please wake up, lets not deny the reality. By controlling the population we can ensure everyone's standard of living is raised a bit. As far as the philosophy of "more kids = more earning power" goes, it does not really hold true in all cases. There are so many poor families that have 8-9 kids, and when they are young they are half naked and hungry and cannot earn any money so whats the point? Is it fair to them to live like that?
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Agree with what condor, phamilyman etc posted. Our breeding like rabbits is definitely a serious cause for concern. And the sooner we do something about it, the better for everyone.

Many here mentioned about 'education' being one of the main solutions to the problem. If by education, they meant the stuff we are taught in school/college, I really do not see how it helps kids see things from a broad perspective. They are just memorising stuff in schools without being taught how stuff is applicable in practical life.

Kerala is supposed to be a good example in population control with most couples opting for 1 or 2 kids. Still I know so many couples in my neighbourhood (very educated) who went till 3 kids just because the first 2 were girls.

I have a Mallu colleague (again very educated), who has 2 kids and still wants more. Why ? Just like that. I mean, he says, "If he can provide for the kids, why not have as many as he wants?". But what about resources being limited and the earth being strained to the gills, having to support such a huge populace ? Well, not his concern.

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The population of India is NOT a problem (please...we are talking about human life here). Unfortunately, I get all worked up when I hear such statements (marked in bold in the quote above) ...and again, unfortunately, forum rules prevent me from expressing myself fully here. So I will refrain from commenting further on this thread.
BT, I did not understand your getting worked up at facts. Yes, our population (and the uncontrolled growth) is definitely a problem. Look around yourself and see how many humans are lunging at the limited resources available and it would be clear to you. Crowded roads, trains, teeming cities, garbage mounds rotting in cities, overstretched hospitals, crowded classrooms - all these point to one single cause.

Regarding adoption, me and my wife have this in mind as we would like to have 2 kids (a boy and a girl), but without adding to the population. We already have a boy, so plan to adopt a girl. Ofcourse, the toughest part we see is bringing around our parents/relatives to the idea.
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Density of population - number of people per sq Km: number which tells how crowded the place is. India is one country where the density is low (just 336 per Km) but population is high.
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ok now first things first... how do you guage population? By the dense penetration of people in a particular city or area.
When I say education, I mean some certficate (SSLC, PUC) or Degree (University), which recognized in the region and provides opportunity for highr standard of life.
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Many here mentioned about 'education' being one of the main solutions to the problem. If by education, they meant the stuff we are taught in school/college, I really do not see how it helps kids see things from a broad perspective. They are just memorising stuff in schools without being taught how stuff is applicable in practical life.
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The life expectancy of a average indian has increased from 32 years to 64 years due to better standard of living and better healthcare. This jump has happened in mere 60 years after independence. This has created a shock to our population dynamics hence the reason for a 1.1 Billion population.

We have seen lot of carrots offered by the government in the past for having 1 or 2 childern. Now I believe is the time for stick. Yes we will land up in the state where china is now in 20 years with twice the number of senior citizens as compared to the working young population but I believe it would only be a transient phase. 1 generation would suffer for the good of the generations to follow.

I belive this is the right time to introduce the one child policy as indian economy in next 25-30 years can sustain the budgeoning old population of our country. If we don't correct the population growth now it would be too late to do anything in the future.
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When I say education, I mean some certficate (SSLC, PUC) or Degree (University), which recognized in the region and provides opportunity for highr standard of life.
I did understand that you meant paper degrees. And maybe they also help in providing a better standard of life. What I did not understand was the relevance of those paper degrees in combating population increase. You frame them and leave them on the bedside table and it automatically works as a prophylactic ?

My point (from real life experience around me) was that just because a person has SSLC or PDC or BSc or BE, does not mean he knows / understands the impact caused by a rapidly exploding population on the limited resources (land, water, food, fuel etc) available.
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A solution to a problem that can be avoided. Pills of any kind is bad one way or the other.

And condoms are safer
Popular misconception, on both counts. I'm referring to the birth control pill, or the Pill. Not the morning after pill/Plan B/I-Pill. They're pretty much completely safe.

And they're 99% effective, as opposed to 85-95% efficiency that condoms display.
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I feel every person getting married needs avoid kids for the first 4 yrs of marriage. This shuold be a rule the government passes.failing which the all the schools should charge 20 times the fees to such a child. This will automatically decrease the population.
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Similarly 2 yrs of military service should be mandatory for everybody after 12th before going for degree. This way again marriage is delayed.
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Popular misconception, on both counts. I'm referring to the birth control pill, or the Pill. Not the morning after pill/Plan B/I-Pill. They're pretty much completely safe.

And they're 99% effective, as opposed to 85-95% efficiency that condoms display.
The Pill contain hormones that alter the way the reproductive organs function.

And I won't believe anyone who tells me taking hormones doesn't cause side effects. It may not cause side effects in all but in some it does.

BIRTH CONTROL: Contraceptive FAQs
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Similarly 2 yrs of military service should be mandatory for everybody after 12th before going for degree. This way again marriage is delayed.
Drafting is not a solution. 250 Million Men strong army will need money to be fed.

India's forest cover is 24% aimed to reach 35% in the current five year plan [Compared to 25% in USA]. We're one of the 'less-dense' and 'less vertically growing' countries. There's enough growth to accomodate every bhaiya from UP and every mallu from Kerala. Don't lose your hope yet [lose, not loose :-p]

We don't have highrises the way every modern city has. So we grow horizontally - hence the commotion. India needs well planned cities.

For instance, entire Dharavi can be accomodated in well built 10 '20 floor' highrises. Please visit KL, HK or outskirts of Shanghai to see how nice planning can accomodate both poor people in slum highrises in the suburbs and rich downtown. I won't call them slums in our context because these buildings are well kept, have water/electricity - infact they just look like nice flats - albeit a little packed and organized.

Why India doesn't permit high-rises is beyond me. I understand you need excellent water-drainage and wide-girth underground inrastructure for that which our cities don't have.

But I'm sure we'll figure that out if the next govt is a little more urban centric.

Population is a boon - and we will be laughing ourselves to death in 10-20 years when China and the entire western world sees a sudden drop in their educated work force. This is the key to being the Superpower post 2030.
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China has controlled their population very well through the one child policy. India should implement something in that line too.

One-child policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Yep, they are. like many drugs, completely safe until the next scare comes to light. However, it is looking good for the current generation of pills.

Both pills and condoms, though, require an ongoing expenditure of cash, and they require remembering to do something every day or every time.

It seems to me most families go for sterilisation, but then I only know a tiny corner of this vast land, and it has already been pointed out to me that this is not where the problem, if problem there be, is.

But control of individuals as per China? No way.

Hey! How about giving a free radio with every operation?
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