Help me select my new company - Team-BHP

neoonwheels · 2nd September 2008, 11:41

Did not want to start a new thread so posting my query here as it is related to jobs

Decided to open a thread as my post in other thread may go unnoticed.

I have been offered a job in following organizations:
1. IBM Software labs - pune
2. Atos Origin - pune

I was not able to get enough info on Atos origin as its facility in Pune is new and I hardly know anybody working in Atos. Could you guys please help me understand about Atos in following fields:

1. Work culture and work quality
2. Onsite opportunity for C,C++ resource
3. Long term/Short term onsite
4. I have been offered - System analyst role. I have 4 years exp. in C++. Is it ok?

ajmat · 2nd September 2008, 12:11

Go for IBM - no brainer, you get a brand on your resume. Decent culture etc.

Atos - you might have more responsibility but it all depends on how well the company is managed and whether a clear business strategy is in place. Also small companies work on unrealistic shoestring budgets especially if you have to fend for yourself overseas.

With the oncoming recession, I would think twice unless you are going to gain major skills or work on something that excites you

abhinav.gupta88 · 2nd September 2008, 12:34

If i were given the option, i would have no second thoughts but to go for IBM. The brand name speaks for itself and will look great on any CV

androdev · 2nd September 2008, 12:36

AO seems to be Europe based. So if onsite=USA for you, then IBM will be a better choice.

I prefer companies that are just starting. You do get some early-bird advantages. Unless of course the company wants to hire 10000 people in next 2 weeks (like accenture)

If working abroad is your main objective, it is better to go thru consultants/bodyshops than thru IBMs.

Ajaybiz · 2nd September 2008, 12:40

IBM as Atos dosent pays like them and work pressure is bit more over there.

Eddy · 2nd September 2008, 12:45

I work at IBM and can vouch for the fantastic work culture in the organization. However, this is my first job so can't compare it to anything.

neoonwheels · 2nd September 2008, 12:48

Ok guys let me be more specific: I would like to go onsite. Let it be Europe or US. Any safe country will do

1. Atos: They said we have onsite opportunity but can not guarantee that you will be put in such project. Work will be in C/C++. Which domain that can not be shared

2. IBM ISL: Total offshore job. Pay is good than Atos. Work is in C and is good. I have heard horror stories about ISL that they even put you in testing.

Just wanted to know more about Atos as I do not have any direct contacts there. Its a french company and has huge presence in Europe. Your comments are most welcome.

androdev · 2nd September 2008, 12:59

Neo, have you thought about directly going onsite thru some consultant/bodyshop route. If you are 'good', this is probably the shortest route. If you have a bro/buddy there, it will be much more easier.

Trying go onside thru IBMs and the like is something I would totally avoid.

neoonwheels · 2nd September 2008, 13:19

I did not try that just because of initial investment in visa n all. Also once I return I would be having job with the company that sends me onsite. So more or less want to be secured in all aspects.

I wonder we do not have any Atos emp on board. I heard good things about Atos but never from a direct friend. IBM does not have any onsite as I would be joining their products division.

kalpeshc · 2nd September 2008, 13:27

I am from Mumbai and Atos has a BIG brand name here. They are one of the top companies and getting that brand on the resume means a lot here. In fact Atos is doing better than most of the biggies in terms of growth.

I think they were one of the the official sponsors of the Beijing Olympics (they setup the IT for the Olympics - everything).

neoonwheels · 2nd September 2008, 16:53

Anybody from Atos who can comment on the projects in pune and onsite opp for C++ ?

Glifford · 2nd September 2008, 17:14

Atos Origin is a former Philips group company and is known for great work culture. Check Atos Origin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it depends whether you want a big brand (and being one among thousands there) or a medium sized brand (and being one among hundreds)

neoonwheels · 11th September 2008, 11:06

Guys, one update:

I have joined Atos Origin from this Monday. Took this dsecision because of onsite opportunity. Future looks good here as far as onsitre is concerned. My first love is a product based company as I worked on a product in my previous company for 3+ years. Work is any day good in product based company. Will surely get back to IBM ISL/any full fledged product company once I am done with onsite

2nd September 2008, 11:41	#1 (permalink)
neoonwheels BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 802 View My Garage	Help me select my new company Did not want to start a new thread so posting my query here as it is related to jobs Decided to open a thread as my post in other thread may go unnoticed. I have been offered a job in following organizations: 1. IBM Software labs - pune 2. Atos Origin - pune I was not able to get enough info on Atos origin as its facility in Pune is new and I hardly know anybody working in Atos. Could you guys please help me understand about Atos in following fields: 1. Work culture and work quality 2. Onsite opportunity for C,C++ resource 3. Long term/Short term onsite 4. I have been offered - System analyst role. I have 4 years exp. in C++. Is it ok? __________________ NeoOnWheels FIAT Palio 1.2 Sport Wishlist: Linea FIRE 1.4 / 1.4 TJet

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androdev BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 619	AO seems to be Europe based. So if onsite=USA for you, then IBM will be a better choice. I prefer companies that are just starting. You do get some early-bird advantages. Unless of course the company wants to hire 10000 people in next 2 weeks (like accenture) If working abroad is your main objective, it is better to go thru consultants/bodyshops than thru IBMs.

2nd September 2008, 12:48	#7 (permalink)
neoonwheels BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 802 View My Garage	Ok guys let me be more specific: I would like to go onsite. Let it be Europe or US. Any safe country will do 1. Atos: They said we have onsite opportunity but can not guarantee that you will be put in such project. Work will be in C/C++. Which domain that can not be shared 2. IBM ISL: Total offshore job. Pay is good than Atos. Work is in C and is good. I have heard horror stories about ISL that they even put you in testing. Just wanted to know more about Atos as I do not have any direct contacts there. Its a french company and has huge presence in Europe. Your comments are most welcome. __________________ NeoOnWheels FIAT Palio 1.2 Sport Wishlist: Linea FIRE 1.4 / 1.4 TJet

2nd September 2008, 12:59	#8 (permalink)
androdev BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 619	Neo, have you thought about directly going onsite thru some consultant/bodyshop route. If you are 'good', this is probably the shortest route. If you have a bro/buddy there, it will be much more easier. Trying go onside thru IBMs and the like is something I would totally avoid.

2nd September 2008, 13:19	#9 (permalink)
neoonwheels BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 802 View My Garage	I did not try that just because of initial investment in visa n all. Also once I return I would be having job with the company that sends me onsite. So more or less want to be secured in all aspects. I wonder we do not have any Atos emp on board. I heard good things about Atos but never from a direct friend. IBM does not have any onsite as I would be joining their products division. __________________ NeoOnWheels FIAT Palio 1.2 Sport Wishlist: Linea FIRE 1.4 / 1.4 TJet

2nd September 2008, 13:27	#10 (permalink)
kalpeshc BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 130	I am from Mumbai and Atos has a BIG brand name here. They are one of the top companies and getting that brand on the resume means a lot here. In fact Atos is doing better than most of the biggies in terms of growth. I think they were one of the the official sponsors of the Beijing Olympics (they setup the IT for the Olympics - everything).

2nd September 2008, 16:53	#11 (permalink)
neoonwheels BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 802 View My Garage	Anybody from Atos who can comment on the projects in pune and onsite opp for C++ ? __________________ NeoOnWheels FIAT Palio 1.2 Sport Wishlist: Linea FIRE 1.4 / 1.4 TJet

2nd September 2008, 17:14	#12 (permalink)
Glifford BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 302	Atos Origin is a former Philips group company and is known for great work culture. Check Atos Origin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So it depends whether you want a big brand (and being one among thousands there) or a medium sized brand (and being one among hundreds)

11th September 2008, 11:06	#13 (permalink)
neoonwheels BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 802 View My Garage	Guys, one update: I have joined Atos Origin from this Monday. Took this dsecision because of onsite opportunity. Future looks good here as far as onsitre is concerned. My first love is a product based company as I worked on a product in my previous company for 3+ years. Work is any day good in product based company. Will surely get back to IBM ISL/any full fledged product company once I am done with onsite __________________ NeoOnWheels FIAT Palio 1.2 Sport Wishlist: Linea FIRE 1.4 / 1.4 TJet

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