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Old 6th September 2008, 16:19   #1
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Smile Indo-US Nuclear Deal - NSG Approves

Congrats India!!!

Singh is King!!!

The 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group has approved a US plan to engage in nuclear trade with India.

The approval came after almost three days of meeting in Vienna on Saturday.
National Security Advisor MK Narayanan has confirmed to CNN-IBN that waiver has been clinched in Vienna.


NSG MEET APPROVES N-WAIVER FOR INDIA
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Did they agree to our conditions or did we have to compromise?
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Did they agree to our conditions or did we have to compromise?
They have agreed on our conditions. We should celebrate this victory of Indian diplomacy, which will take our contry forward by leaps and bounds.

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They agreed on the conditions
India is the first country to be a nuke power without getting bound into any conditions of non testing
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They agreed on the conditions
India is the first country to be a nuke power without getting bound into any conditions of non testing
that is naive!
we dont have the need to test weapons at the moment. and we are not stupid enough to face the world's wrath by testing. they know that. so they agreed.

this doesnt mean we can test all we want. if we actually did test weapons again, watch what happens.

all in all, its a good deal IMO, we get our energy needs satisfied in return for giving up military development, which we had no intention of pursuing anyway.
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agree with rippergeo. the consequences of testing would not be pleasant.

this is still a good thing to happen. hope we build the know-how and eliminate this dependency on technology and material over a period of time. but the way things are progressing in India, i do not see any such visionary leadership.
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Not sure whether this thread is allowed as it may result in may political debate....

It is sure good thing to happen to India. We need to cross one more hurdle that is, it has to be tabled in the US house and it should pass through US Parliment then only it will become operational.

Before commenting on anything, we need to know the below:

1) Does anybody know the full details (T & C) of this deal?
2) Will it be good in long term.
3) What is Hyde Act?
4) What is 123 agreement?

It may look good that we have got the deal through. But what lies in it should be thoroughly debated.

Has anybody in here has read these documents as it may mean more when we go through the actual terms & conditions of this agreement. Can somebody share the linky on those please.
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Not sure whether this thread is allowed as it may result in may political debate....

It is sure good thing to happen to India. We need to cross one more hurdle that is, it has to be tabled in the US house and it should pass through US Parliment then only it will become operational.

Before commenting on anything, we need to know the below:

1) Does anybody know the full details (T & C) of this deal?
2) Will it be good in long term.
3) What is Hyde Act?
4) What is 123 agreement?

It may look good that we have got the deal through. But what lies in it should be thoroughly debated.

Has anybody in here has read these documents as it may mean more when we go through the actual terms & conditions of this agreement. Can somebody share the linky on those please.
The Henry J. Hyde United States-India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act of 2006, also known as the Hyde Act, is the U.S. domestic law that modifies the requirements of Section 123 of the U.S. Atomic Energy Act to permit nuclear cooperation with India and in particular to negotiate a 123 agreement to operationalise the 2005 Joint Statement. As a domestic U.S. law, the Hyde Act is binding on the United States. The Hyde Act cannot be binding on India, except to the extent that its provisions have been incorporated into the 123 agreement.

The 123 agreement defines the terms and conditions for bilateral civilian nuclear cooperation, and requires separate approvals by the U.S. Congress and by Indian cabinet ministers. According to the Nuclear Power Corporation of India, the agreement will help India meet its goal of adding 25,000 MW of nuclear power capacity through imports of nuclear reactors and fuel by 2020.

It is my opinion that nuclear power will propel India's economic growth to new levels and strong ties with US will help the country in the long run. We can understand that by the way China oppossed the deal at NSG. Anyways we already have a good number of nuclear warheads and that will act as a credible deterrent to any aggression. So new tests are not needed.

The following link has a wealth of knowledge about the deal and anything about it that we want to know.

Indo-US civil nuclear cooperation agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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It is my opinion that nuclear power will propel India's economic growth to new levels and strong ties with US will help the country in the long run. We can understand that by the way China oppossed the deal at NSG. Anyways we already have a good number of nuclear warheads and that will act as a credible deterrent to any aggression. So new tests are not needed.
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I endorse this view. I've been closely following India's nuclear isolation right from the time of Pokhran in 1974. India had to face the wrath of the world, especially from the Western powers and Japan.
India was always considered a Soviet ally by the west. But the amount of interest taken by Bush in getting the NSG waiver signifies the tilt in US foreign policy towards India, the other significant event being Clinton's strong endorsement of India's stand on Kargil and his strong rebuke to Pakistan in the Kargil war.
I, for one, am delighted that we are now being seen in good light by Uncle Sam and other significant powers. I don't want to indulge in political debate, but China's true intentions were revealed on this issue. I am sure the Chinese and their Left comrades in India are seething in anger.

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It's a great step forward to mainstream nuclear eco-system. To get something, one has to give something - this is reality and sanctimonius exclamations from Left (completely understandable since they have no bearing with reality but only so called ideology) and BJP (very puzzling, partisan - one expected better) don't stand scrutiny.

India should follow the China model. Take all the civil nuclear tech for meeting energy needs for the next 20-30 years, while working on our indigenous Thorium based tech (where as well we may get equipment and technology to carry out the research and prototyping), and work our weapons tech separately.
Once billions of $ of US companies (and jobs therein), and other countries like France, UK and Russia are invested and accruing revenue, you have the most compelling lobby to prevent knee jerk reactions to testing or whatever (not to say there won't be impacts but it would be far less than today or during Pokhran 2)
And India will be a few times stronger financially, economically and geo-politically in next 25 years. After that, we decide what we want and there's little any other country can do about it (refer China N-proliferation to Pakistan etc, and how much NSG or anybody else managed to do about it)
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With Love, A letter From America -

Thank You India,

We effectively destroyed your Iran Pipeline project - because Iran/Iraq oil/gas belongs to USA only. This nuclear deal will create jobs in America and help American companies to make profit.

Technology Transfer will not happen, so whenever India needs "customer support" India will have to pay America to fix anything that is broken and be the puppet - to prevent any chernobyl to happen.

Actually, we really want to reduce your population, because too much oil/food demand is coming from India and we dont like that. Americans need to drive SUVs and maintain their standard of living - so what else can be a better way to reduce rising Indian oil demand and population? Nuclear Disaster!

This is because, we, as Americans undertand that, you can barely maintain your roads or sewers, or keep your streets clean, let alone maintain Nuclear plants in a large scale....



Oh, what about the nuclear waste? No problem yaar, we can throw it in river Ganga. Chalta Hai
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Why USA & its allies are willing to sign on this treaty if everything is in India's favor?

AFAIK, the full details of the treaty are not disclosed to public. The US can inspect our civil nuclear plants whenever they want though India claims its defense reactors will still be closed from prying eyes of the USA.

Only time can tell if the treaty was good or bad.
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Why USA & its allies are willing to sign on this treaty if everything is in India's favor?

AFAIK, the full details of the treaty are not disclosed to public. The US can inspect our civil nuclear plants whenever they want though India claims its defense reactors will still be closed from prying eyes of the USA.

Only time can tell if the treaty was good or bad.
Your question is answered Above.
Had it been a deal in any other country, the citizens would have rallied and demanded the terms of the deal from their Govt. Indian Public/Citizens have the right to know - by Indians hardly care...............
What Caring means? - Reading and watching the News. Thats what caring means.

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With Love, A letter From America -

Thank You India,

We effectively destroyed your Iran Pipeline project - because Iran/Iraq oil/gas belongs to USA only. This nuclear deal will create jobs in America and help American companies to make profit.

Technology Transfer will not happen, so whenever India needs "customer support" India will have to pay America to fix anything that is broken and be the puppet - to prevent any chernobyl to happen.

Actually, we really want to reduce your population, because too much oil/food demand is coming from India and we dont like that. Americans need to drive SUVs and maintain their standard of living - so what else can be a better way to reduce rising Indian oil demand and population? Nuclear Disaster!

This is because, we, as Americans undertand that, you can barely maintain your roads or sewers, or keep your streets clean, let alone maintain Nuclear plants in a large scale....


Oh, what about the nuclear waste? No problem yaar, we can throw it in river Ganga. Chalta Hai
Damn. That was fantastic!! And our great Indian think tanks are real happy with the quality of the strings too "It's ok if you want us to be puppets, but we need the best quality strings"
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The Nuclear deal must be good for India. Otherwise, China wouldn't have tried to kill it in a very subtle way. Opposition parties in India have nothing better to do than to oppose something which they themselves supported while in office !!
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