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Old 2nd October 2008, 11:41   #76
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You cannot have a smoking zone near the entrance or exit of a hotel, club or restaurant.

So are the smokers supposed to take a walk?
That is because no non smoker should be forced to walk through a smoking zone to enter or exit from a restaurant.
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Old 2nd October 2008, 11:59   #77
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Cool MNCís going tobacco free campus.

Most of the MNC’s are going tobacco free campus, its one of the kind initiative taken by the company for caring for there employees health.

Dell is the first MNC in India to go tobacco free from October 1st, followed by Accenture from October 2nd .

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I think this is anti smoking turned full circle and is now a stupid nuisance.

When we anyways live and breathe such polluted air, it is highly inconsequential if some of my colleagues want to light up.

This just encourages clandestine smoking in any possible areas rather than improving health or providing a comfortable working environment to non-smokers.

Stupid.

PS: Am a non-smoker.

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Doubt it? Check Benowitz and Henningfield's landmark study.
Or let them read John Grisham's "Runaway Jury" - outstanding fiction from Grisham here on the tobacco industry and their smoke and mirrors game.

A lot of objections raised here refer to impracticality/dilution of the implementation or to the possible increase in corruption. Well, may be so.

But this is a ban with it's heart in the right place. The fine tuning will happen in due course of time, based on what actually transpires.

But I must say I am happy that such a bold step has been initiated against the powerful tobacco lobby and against all odds, such a controversial move before elections.
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ok what next? A ban on body odor.

I will next see non-smokers cribbing about smokers' smell but really its just another smell - consider the body odor people would anyways have. Can we ban the pollution that is equivalent to five-six cigarettes a day (anyone with latest nos?)

Ban that as well. Hooray for the deodorant/mouth freshner industry.
Hooray for overarching regulation.

Hooray for the minister who will now attend every possible international conference selling the "India smoking prohibition" model.

And its okay to ape the western model that the minister deem convenient (not that he'd care) and ban smoking in bars/discs. Let us also introduce discs that actually go on till 5am, but will he?

Well there are alot of things done by alot of people. Let's go the whole hog - let's implement their labor policies - let's do other things. Like many other things in life, this whole "lessons learnt from the west" is a sham for convenience.

PS: I am teetotaller non-smoker FWIWand I FULLY respect others' right to smoke, as long as it isnt inconveniencing them.

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Well someone here referred to banning tobacco as a whole but trust me that results in more than a lackh acres of land being made to change their crops. They would not want to do that trust me. There are already enough probelms given to and from the farmers.
Also the majority of tobacco being cultivated here are the grade which is being used for beedis rather than ciggaretes. Beedis cause more harm
1) Its very cheap. 5 bucks for a 30 bundle
2) n filter so basically affects you more
3) the number of beedi smokers are more

Well i am not supporrting the current move but i feel the move against cultivation is a very bad one.
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tobacco and tobacco products cannot and should not be banned but only taxed and regulated. banning a product itself would only drive the trade underground and unaccountable.

if we have to learn something from the west, it is these kind of sensible things.
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This just encourages clandestine smoking in any possible areas rather than improving health or providing a comfortable working environment to non-smokers.
why "clandestine" smoking? smoking is not banned per se. the smokers can take a break, walk out of the campus and take a few puffs.

most of the people are behaving as if a prohibition on cigarettes and smoking has been imposed.

i used to work for Dell in Hyderabad and I can say from experience that most of the stairways used to stink of tobacco every evening. it used to be a stomach churning experience to walk to the car park. now at least it will smell a lot fresher.
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I Firmly believe that if there is substance in my post it will be noticed and I do not have to use BOLD letters to attract attention, but in this case I will break my own rule to post in bold because this has to be read by everyone.


2. READ THE LAW VERY CAREFULLY.
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The owners of Pubs, Bars and Discos can be designate them as 100% smoke zones and put up a board to that effect and you can smoke your way to glory. Outside India where similar laws are in effect, smoking is banned even in Pubs and Bars.
Your points are bold indeed.

But as far as reading the law carefully Mayavi - I suggest you do the same too.
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(3) A smoking area or space shall be used only for the purpose of smoking and no other service(s) shall be allowed.
If the owners of Pubs, Bars and Discos designate their entire area as 100% smoke zones, you do realise that they can no longer serve food and drinks in that entire Pub, Bar or Disco, right?
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mm...reminds me of our UK office. UK put a similar ban when i was there. People simply shifted places and i found a lot of buds near the gate.
I think Gate doesn't belong to any one technically. so can coolly smoke just outside the gate.
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...(3) A smoking area or space shall be used only for the purpose of smoking and no other service(s) shall be allowed....

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....If the owners of Pubs, Bars and Discos designate their entire area as 100% smoke zones, you do realise that they can no longer serve food and drinks in that entire Pub, Bar or Disco, right?
If the owners of Pubs, Bars and Discos designate their entire area as 100% smoke zones , I guess they wouldnt be able to play music and let anyone dance there as well (these would again constitute "other services" ? )

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ok what next? A ban on body odor.

I will next see non-smokers cribbing about smokers' smell but really its just another smell - consider the body odor people would anyways have. Can we ban the pollution that is equivalent to five-six cigarettes a day (anyone with latest nos?)

Ban that as well. Hooray for the deodorant/mouth freshner industry.
Hooray for overarching regulation.
BO is not a problem if you move 3-5 feet away from the person with BO, cigarette smoke still is. And it gets worse due to the A/C systems which re-circulate air which are nowadays installed virtually everywhere.
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BO is not a problem if you move 3-5 feet away from the person with BO, cigarette smoke still is. And it gets worse due to the A/C systems which re-circulate air which are nowadays installed virtually everywhere.
I very much welcome this rule.
If anyone cared about their actions causing problems to others then this world would have been a much better place to live in. Comparing smoking to anything else is pointless.


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If someone comes between me and my ciggarette , i cant tolerate it

EXCEPTION : my GF!
Interesting statement. Which raises a question in my mind.

Is smoking psychological?
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Hey guys

What about the BLACK SMOKE that comes out of trucks/buses or jeeps that are not well maintained?

You do know what i am talking about - the poisonous diesel smoke that hits your face when the car window is down!

Compared to the rest of the world, we only have small number of automobiles, but high pollution, i dont understand why

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Interesting statement. Which raises a question in my mind.

Is smoking psychological?
To smoke is instantaneous , not planned.
It's like if you want it badly you will have it and not plan it like i will have my next ciggarette at 6:09 pm.

My Girlfriend doesnt allow me to smoke but i do without telling her

If i have to meet her or similar , i avoid ciggarettes completely
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