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Old 11th May 2005, 15:54   #16
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Almost all of us have had bad experiences with policemen and our cars. It's useless trying to change the system, because that's not going to happen.

Instead let's focus on beating it. If we put together a list of relevant laws and rules that we can all read on the site, then the next time a cop tries to catch one of us for bogus reasons, we'll know he's scamming and threaten to lodge a complaint, instead of meekly reaching for our wallets.

For example: Does the traffic cop on the road have the power to confiscate a licence or take away your keys? I don't think so. I remember hearing from someone that only a sub-inspector onwards has the power to do so. So if it's a havaldar, you can tell him to shove it.

I don't know the rules for sure either, but it would be nice if people who did could post them for the rest of us.

You'll be surprised how little a traffic cop can do if you know the rules better than he does. Most of them are semi-literate and relying on bluff. Show them that you know more than thye do and they usually back off.
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Old 11th May 2005, 16:29   #17
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You'll be surprised how little a traffic cop can do if you know the rules better than he does. Most of them are semi-literate and relying on bluff. Show them that you know more than thye do and they usually back off.
We have to have a blue book on the laws here.

My experience goes like this - i once got caught by a cop in santacruz for my exhaust noise. The cop said it was a law that you could not have loud exhausts and i told him i hadnt heard about it. so he pulls out a small book and flips some pages and casually points out a line and shows it to me for a spilt second and says there it is and shoves the book back into his pocket. then i told him i would only pay the fine if i get to see the rule and i wanted to see that book. i bulled him too stating that i had read Mr. Pasricha's book on RTO laws and there wasnt anything like that. he refused to show the book and i refused to pay up. the situation was dead locked - and then i just waited leaning on my car while people started gathering to see what was the commotion about. finally the cop says give me some cash (100-200) and you go , i told him ill pay the fine and take a proper receipt after reading the rule from the book in your pocket. i want to know what book it is.....and the guy says ok you can leave.

after that he met me twice at the same signal , gives me a wave and a smile .. heheh

if you know you are right you have stand up and look them in the eye ... then its the question of who blinks first !

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Old 11th May 2005, 16:41   #18
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most cops try to scare people by taking rules and stuff..if you are bold enough to face them ..its not hard at all..as "normally_crazy" did..well thatz brave enough..i would have paid him some amount and would have left instead of having an arguement with him..
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Old 11th May 2005, 17:08   #19
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normal crazy --- like the boldness man

it would really help is all car owners had a RTO rule book in their dash so that we could snub the cops each time,

in bangalore 500 to a cop will be like lottery, 50-100 will do
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Old 11th May 2005, 17:16   #20
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Cops in most cases are like what normally_crazy says. Its just that they go after people who seem afraid of them. I was once caught by a policeman (not a TC but a regular policeman) who asked for my RC book, DL and insurance. The bike was in the name of my friends brother who was riding on the pillon. After he found all documents are in order he said i would have to pay as the bike was emitting too much smoke.

I showed him the emissions certificate and told him the bike has been cleared for emissions by the RTO. then he said no the bike was emitting too much blue smoke, bla bla i said i cant pay and stood my ground.

Then he said ok you go from here i'll call up all the checkposts in front and ask them to catch you at each check post and fine yuo 200RS. Or you pay me 500 RS and get going bla bla bla

then he proceeded to take his note book out and write my address down. this is when the fun part starts...

I give my address as c/o Mr. XXXXXX, SSP, Chief security advisor to the CM, xxxxx and then yuo should see their face when they look up from the note book.

My god all their swagger would be gone for a toss! This particular guy was actually my grand dad's assistant sort of who would come as their escort. So he had actually been to my place quite a few times. Then are you Mr zzz'z son? Yup. then the reply is all like sir no sir actually sir.

I really hate having to use anyone's name. But then sometimes they just ask for it. My advice would be to look up into their eyes and refuse to pay the fine. Ask them to give you a notice and tell them that you would pay it in the court. and refuse to budge or pay them anything. Well incase you are in a hurry and some one stops you and nags you with silly things like what happened to me then it pays to know some one really high up in the police department.
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hey revtech what age r u and have you finished your 12 th
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if you know you are right you have stand up and look them in the eye ... then its the question of who blinks first !

dude,,,,please teach me.... how not to pay .....These #@!$#^ have been harassing me too much for my comfort...! Luckily i think its been like 20 days....that i havent been caught for hte exhaust..!
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Old 11th May 2005, 19:53   #23
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hey jigarmuni which car do you have and how is the exhaust note like. you know i love the exhaust notes very much i myself have a muffler put in my car and it has a satisfying sound
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If you have done no wrong. Don't pay a paise. Stand your ground, they normally back-off. I have done it successfully several times.

Once I shook up the Bangalore Traffic Police when they charged me for jumping lights. Went straight to the DC (Traffic) and got back my license. I know it takes time and effort. Everybody I knew advised me against it but I stood my ground. It was more expensive than paying the fine. However, it made me feel better.
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Old 11th May 2005, 20:07   #25
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That is how it should be, Rover!

In my late teens, I confronted license issuing police inspector in RTO office for letting in touts. He was furious and threatened to put me behind bars. I had given up hopes of getting license, but as last ditch effort, I met his superior (A.R.T.O.) and explained the situation. And what a pleasant surprise! I got my license without further hassle, and issuing authority was that same inspector. So much for a learning license (which expired as I did not apply for permanent one within 6 months). But let me tell you, it works. We friends still remember that and have a good laugh.
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Old 11th May 2005, 20:09   #26
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Hi I got these rules from the Mumbai Traffic Police Site



Parking Offences

The following charges attract a INR 100 fine

Parking in flow of traffic

Parking away from footpath

Parking against flow of traffic

Obstruction by parking

Parking on taxi stand

Parking in not prescribed manner

Parking at corner

Parking within 15 meters on either side of bus stop

Parking on bridge

Parked at traffic island

Parked in No Parking area

Parked on pedestrian crossing

Parked on footpath

Parked in front of gate

Causing obstruction to traffic by parking

The following towing charges are applicable

Two Wheelers - 100

Cars,Jeeps,Taxi,Auto Rikshaw - 200

Truck,Tanker,Trailer - 600

License Offences

The following offences attract a fine of INR 300

Permitting to drive without valid licence

Driving without valid M.D.L

Driving under age of 18 yrs

Driving transport vehicle under age of 20 yrs

The following offence attracts a fine of INR 100

Driver failed to produce M.D.L or registration or fitness paper

Driving Offences

The follwoing offences attract a fine of INR 100

Driving against Police signal

Driving in the centre/failed to keep left

Overtaking dangerously

Failing to give way/permit overtaking

Failing to slowdown at intersection

Failing to take precaution while taking a turn

Failing to give signal

Reversing negligently

Disobeying traffic signal

Disobeying manual traffic signal

Driving against one-way

Failing to keep left of traffic island

Taking ‘U’ turn during prohibited hours

Disobeying reasonable directions of police officer in uniform

Leaving vehicle in dangerous position

Carrying persons on footboard

Carrying persons causing obstruction to the driver

Leaving vehicle with idling engine

Disobeying traffic sign board

Driving without illuminating rear number plate

The following offence attracts a fine of INR 200

Exceeding Speed Limit

SEC. 183. DRIVING AT EXCESSIVE SPEED.
Whoever drives a motor vehicle in contravention of the speed limits referred to in section 112 shall be punishable with a fine which may extend to Rs. 400/-, or, if having been previously convicted of an offence under this sub-section is again convicted of an offence under this sub-section, with fine which may extend to Rs. 1000/-

SEC. 185. DRUNKEN DRIVING OR DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS.
W hoever, while driving, or attempting to drive, a Motor Vehicle, -

(a) Has in his blood, alcohol exceeding 30 mg. /per.100 ml. of blood detected in a test by a breath analyzer, or

(b) Is under the influence of a drug to such an extent as to be incapable of exercising proper control over the vehicle,

Shall be punishable for the first offence with imprisonment for a term which may extend to six months or with fine which may extend to Rs. 2000/-, or with both; and for a second or subsequent offence if committed within 3 years of the commission if the previous similar offence, with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years or with fine which may extend to Rs. 3000/-, or with both.

Pollution Offences

The following offences attract a fine of INR 500

Fixing multi-toned/shrill horn

Silencer/muffler making noise

Smoky exhaust

The following offence attracts a fine of INR 100

Using horn in silence zone

Motor Vehicle Offences

The following offences attract a fine of INR 300

When motor vehicle is out of state for more than 12 months

Particulars to be printed on transport vehicles

Without wiper

Defective tyres

No indication board on left hand drive vehicle

Vehicles fitted with dark glasses/sun films

Improper number plate

Failing to display public carrier board

The following offence attracts a fine of INR 300

Sale of motor vehicle/alteration of motor vehicle in contravention of Act

Loading Offences

The following offences attract a fine of INR 100

Carrying animals in goods vehicles in contravention of rules

Carrying persons dangerously or carrying persons in goods vehicles

Dangerous projection of goods

Carrying goods unsecured

Carrying goods more than 11 feet high

Load on tail board

Common Offences for PSV

The following offences attract a fine of INR 50

Taxi parked out of stand

Taxi parked on stand with flag down

Taxi driver failing to use shortest and quickest route

Taxi driver carrying cleaner

Taxi driver smoking on duty

Taxi driver demanding excess fare

Taxi driver improperly dressed

Taxi driver obstructing/covering meter

Auto rickshaw driver refusing to ply for hire

The following offences attract a fine of INR 100

Taxi driver not displaying badge

Behaving in disorderly manne

The following offence attracts a fine of INR 200

Taxi driver refusing to ply for hire

Any problems,complains or suggestions regarding Mumbai Traffic Police contact 3040 3040

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wow what a lovely spirit here!
if newer generation like all of us respect the law & refuse to bribe it would make wonders for this country. & thank you KHANAK for posting rules.....

i have never been stopped by police, only once but that to for checking as I had all of my documents he let me go.
I would suggest all of us here that whenever you takes friends or someone else car with you always makesure that all documents are present as it can save a lot of pain
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The following offence attracts a fine of INR 200

Taxi driver refusing to ply for hire
Damn i didnt know it was illegal for them to refuse to ply....im going to kill them now... but i doubt the cabbies themselves know if its a law.

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hey khanak,

that was great.this will be helful for all of us.
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hey khanak,
thanx a lot will serve as a guide for all of us and we will know the approximate fine for each offence.


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i just finished my 12th will turn 18 in 18 days..

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