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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2009 T-20 World Cup ?
Australia 6 6.45%
Bangladesh 0 0%
England 1 1.08%
India 66 70.97%
Ireland 0 0%
New Zealand 5 5.38%
Netherlands 1 1.08%
Pakistan 0 0%
Scotland 0 0%
South Africa 12 12.90%
Sri Lanka 1 1.08%
West Indies 1 1.08%
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Old 15th June 2009, 20:37   #166
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I am no cricketeer's bum chum but have the following to say about the brouhaha that is being made about India's T20 Exit:
  1. We had a fab captain in Ganguly who took India back to days of glory.We got Greg Chappel who literally decimated him to a point of no return.Dravid did not gain either.
  2. The selection committee comprising Vengsarkar and others did the right thing by making separate squads for Test and ODI Cricket,thus repairing the damage done by Greg,Kiran More and others
  3. Dhoni was chosen to lead the team as he had a cool head and was a pretty good strategist.Recent successes bear testimony to his captaincy.
  4. The media unnecessarily provoked Dhoni on the Viru issue;in fact the media proclaimed India as heroes when they "trounced" Ireland or Bangladesh;and in the same vein pulled all plugs on the team when they fared badly.Cricketeers are also human beings - don't play with their sentiments
  5. Too much cricket,especially in the run up to the T20 World Cup has put the Indians off.Any team barring Pakistan which would lift the T20 World Cup would credit us for it as we have provided a perfect training opportunity to foreign teams through the IPL.
  6. We have earned millions but have lost the T20 World Cup - the Glittering Cup or the Glitter of Gold - take your pick
Let us be professionals;we are not here to prepare other teams to greater heights.

And let us stand by our team and pep them up in these testing times.
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Any team barring Pakistan which would lift the T20 World Cup would credit us for it as we have provided a perfect training opportunity to foreign teams through the IPL.

we are not here to prepare other teams to greater heights.

And let us stand by our team and pep them up in these testing times.
Good point! Maybe all foreign players are accustomed to Indian Bowling and tactics, thanks to IPL.
Fatigue is also another factor.
Only consolation would be, we got the first trophy
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Only consolation would be, we got the first trophy
The Aussies and English would conveniently like to ignore that. But Shane Warne being the first to get 600 wickets is a big deal. Normally we would consider 100, 250, 500, 750 and 1000 would be the numbers of interest. But 600? Anyway getting back to the topic, hope the cup remains in Asia
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For some reason, I always thought that the result was decided even before the match started. Dhoni and Yousuf were just looking to tap the ball and no where could I see them trying to search for gaps .
Am sure with that much experience , he could not make blunders of choosing wrong bowlers at the wrong time.

He could have sent a word to Jadeja asking him to lose his wicket when Jadeja was not being effective. Not sure if he did that, but then nothing happened. Jadeja was playing a 50 over match while the rest of the players were playing 20-20.
I guess this cup will go to Pakistan. Courtesy ICC , who want to make it up for not sharing world cup matches there. Lets wait and see
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Not really surprised that India failed to qualify for semis.

But what is surprising is why are people after Dhoni now? Just because his decisions look stupid in hindsight? If anyone has followed his captaincy closely you would realize that he is an instinctive captain. His decisions may not be justifiable always. It just happens that most of the time his decisions work either by luck, fluke or sheer brilliance. Something like this was bound to happen. Law of averages has to kick in. He doesn't have a world beating team at his disposal, like the Aussies had till recently. So no point in blaming Dhoni now. Dhoni's captaincy is a bit hyped, yes, but even more hyped are the Indian T20 batsmen. If one of the top 3 had played sensibly, it would have been a different story.
I would still rate Dhoni amongst the top Indian captains of recent times. Much better than Dravid/Sachin/Azhar and on par with Ganguly.
If you leave out Dhoni, there is no one else in the current team remotely close to being a decent captaincy material.

Out of the remaining teams, I think this time Pakistan is going to win. They seem to be hitting the right note at the right time. SA will yet again finish second best after having a flawless tournament so far.
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It is hilarious. A certain MSD says it was not tiredness that did India in. If a player says he is tired, he is making an excuse. In fact, a player gets better when he plays more.

Now can we switch our minds back to last year. Then the same MSD said he wanted to skip the Bangladesh tour because he needed a rest. I felt at that time it was utter disrespect for the captain of your national team to do that. If he could play in IPL Season I, what stops him from leading his country out in an International series. What a hypocrite?
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Old 16th June 2009, 07:34   #172
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To protect a player from burnout/fatigue there should be a convention/rule of considering a player only for two out of the three popular international formats: tests, one-dayers and T-20. For example, Sehwag may only be considered for tests and one-dayers, when forming the Indian team. Tournaments like IPL will be open for everyone.
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Does anyone have any comments on the format of the tourney ? I fail to understand how the groups were divided, especially after the round robin stage.

Group E (India's group) contains the top teams from 3 initial groups (A1, B1, D1) and the second ranked team from the fourth (C2). Why ?

Should it not have been two rank 1s and two rank2s forming a group in the knock out stage.

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Second stage should involve all the 8 teams playing against each other instead of 2 groups. This way a team's mettle is tested over 7 games instead of just 3. I think WC 1992 was the best format ever.
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Now that India has exited from T20 World Cup, what will our news channels do. Post mortem can only be flogged for so long. Some unheard of scandal next, or 5 mistakes or IPL bashing (possible with Kirsten jeopardising his renewal).
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John, these days ICC does has so much in its plate that they dont want tournaments to run a full course, just like T20 they want tournaments also to end even before you realise it started. After the last world cup fiasco at West Indies which dragged on and on this is the new realisation for ICC, not to forget they now need to find time to include IPL and very soon Champions League as well.

For somebody who is involved with media, we make our money out of ads., I should not be saying this but the biggest beneficiaries of the modern day cricket are BCCI, TV Channels, Indian Cricketers in no particular order and then ROW cricketers, Cricket Australia & ICC again in no particular order

@ Eddy: The groups were done on the basis of seedings which was reflective of the last T20 World Cup and not this years group performance, strange logic but thats how they had decided to work even before the tournament started

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@ Eddy: The groups were done on the basis of seedings which was reflective of the last T20 World Cup and not this years group performance, strange logic but thats how they had decided to work even before the tournament started
Yep. You are right about the seedings. But my point is that the seedings should have been used to select the intitial groups only. That was how it was done and hence Aus, SL & WI landed in the same group.

But after that, continuing with the seedings seems a li'l weird.

E_L: 1992 was great. But now, with the 4 non test playing nations in the fray, that format would be a li'l long for comfort.
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Eddy, that format could be adopted from the second stage onwards. You can even schedule 3 matches in a day. Having one bad day should not mean the end of fortunes for a team.
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OMG, India have lost!
This is VERY bad news.
Now the government has nothing to spend all the money they have on!
News channels can't offer anything after this week of repeated analyses.
1000s of Indians will now go into depression!!
Millions have shed tears!
Millions have got angered and lost their grip on life!
Thousands of teenagers with hopes of a cricketing future have dashed hopes and shattered dreams
Do we have enough psychiatrists to handle the crowds?
Stores and supermarkets are now empty as people do not want to buy products endorsed by our cricketers.
Our economy is shaky again.

Seriously, if the government, media and public put even a fraction of this effort and time into real issues like corruption, malnutrition/disease, etc I wonder how much better our country will be!

Anyway... as a cricket fan I hope that next time India learns lessons and does better and bounces back.
All said and done, it always feels best when we see our team win!
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It is hilarious. A certain MSD says it was not tiredness that did India in. If a player says he is tired, he is making an excuse. In fact, a player gets better when he plays more.

Now can we switch our minds back to last year. Then the same MSD said he wanted to skip the Bangladesh tour because he needed a rest. I felt at that time it was utter disrespect for the captain of your national team to do that. If he could play in IPL Season I, what stops him from leading his country out in an International series. What a hypocrite?
There is nothing wrong in opting out. Cricket is as much a mind game as a physical one. And for the amount of cricket these guys play, player rotation has to be done compulsorily like it happens in Australia.
Another point, these guys play for BCCI, not Indian government, so there is no question of respect or disrespect.
I think every one should read 'Indian Summers' by John Wright, which gives excellent insight into what happens behind the scenes in Indian cricket.
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