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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2009 T-20 World Cup ?
Australia 6 6.45%
Bangladesh 0 0%
England 1 1.08%
India 66 70.97%
Ireland 0 0%
New Zealand 5 5.38%
Netherlands 1 1.08%
Pakistan 0 0%
Scotland 0 0%
South Africa 12 12.90%
Sri Lanka 1 1.08%
West Indies 1 1.08%
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Old 22nd June 2009, 02:06   #226
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. Pak won cause they had spirit and determination and played like the underdogs, which they rightfully were.
+ 1 to that. in a way its good for pak cricket specially with the current affairs in that country.

hope to see pak players in the next edition of ipl ( now that the peace talks are resumed)

p.s:all the pak cricketers should buy a copy of 'rapidex -english speaking course'
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Old 22nd June 2009, 02:17   #227
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As they say, "The wolf on the hill is not as hungry as the one climbing it". Pakistan missed it by a whisker last time and they had that burning fire within.

To the Indian team, here are a few words from "The Eye of the Tiger" :

"So many times, it happens too fast
You change your passion for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep them alive"


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good quote. I guess Dhoni and the boys now know its time to buck up and perform once again
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India is a cricketing country so in that case why do we have to only depend on 11 or 14 or even 24 players. With a billion people we should be able to sport 45-50 players of about equal talent. The IPL had 8 teams right? I assume that atleast 60 indians played the IPL. Another 30 did not play as teams did not carry their full strength to England (due to the added costs).

Why not choose a healthy, in form 20 out of the 90 (60+30) players you had.

Remember the team that one the 1st T20 was not a first-string team. I dont follow cricket much but from what I remember that team was expected only to make up the numbers.

T20 is a 20 over match. You dont need 5 strike bowlers. 2-3 will do if you have decent part timers who can chip in 2-3 overs or so each. You dont need a batsman who can bat 4 hours. A fully fit and in form second string batsman shoud do as good as if not a better job than an injured Shewag. Form and fitness should be the criteria not reputation. Did Yusuf Pathan have a reputation before the first T20?

Look at Nadal. He pulled out of a very prestigious tournament because he was not 100% fit.

Injured muscles take longer to warm up. Then once adrenaline kicks in the player does not feel the injury getting worse. and before you know it a an acute injury turns chronic.

I suspect the Indian team went to England to shop on Oxford street. Well they had their chance. I assume they have learnt not to take things so lightly.
The truth is that India does not have that many number of cricketers of the same class and quality who can replace the ones in the main team. Indian domestic cricket talent is substandard compared to Aus/SA or may be even England. Even in IPL the teams that did well were highly dependent on the foreign stars to play the big role. The teams where the foreign stars failed did miserably in IPL. Of all the Indian players (other than the Indian team regulars) who played in IPL2, only a few can come close to the international standards. Most of them are mediocre at best. They are just not in the same league.

I agree with you on form and fitness being the criteria for selection. No question on that. But what I am pointing out is the mental fatigue. To me thats as important as the physical fitness if not more. For the same reason I am not surprised with the result of Indian team at all. You can't expect the players to do well consistently when they are not 100% fit (both mentally and physically)

I disagree with your point that second string batsmen and part timers doing the job. That simply doesn't work. As the game evolves, you will see that you need more and more specialist players, not the bits-and-pieces cricketers who do a bit of this and that but nothing in full, thats what happened in IPL2. A part timer can get few wickets here and there, but a team cannot rely on them always. You need the strike bowlers and you need proper batsmen.

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well i guess india doesnt have the best T20 team anymore. Jeez they must be feeling...well...like crap. . Pak won cause they had spirit and determination and played like the underdogs, which they rightfully were.
Playing as a underdogs and playing as favorites makes a huge difference.
Under dogs: No one expects you to do well, but you know you can do well if you give your best, and you have less pressure.
Favorites: Everyone expects you to do well, so you are under extra pressure to perform. The problem compounds when you know that you may not be actually that good to wear the favorites tag

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Old 22nd June 2009, 11:39   #229
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How many here think this WC is rigged?
I think its all decided long back . I guess it was already scripted that Pak should win the cup . This is the only help that ICC could do as they upset Pak plans of hosting the WC. ( I had guessed this earlier too : post# 169 )
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I think its all decided long back . I guess it was already scripted that Pak should win the cup . This is the only help that ICC could do as they upset Pak plans of hosting the WC.
Even if this is true, we can't blame only Pakistan for it. Every team that helped Pakistan win should be held responsible.

Maybe thats why the Indians bailed out early since they prob didn't want to reach the finals and lose against their arch rivals (which is even worse than not making it to the semi finals). LOL

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With that diktat, India bailed out early as they wanted proper rest and increased fitness levels for the Windies tour.
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How many here think this WC is rigged?
Just this WC? Even the last one was fixed. The last two seasons of IPL were fixed. Teams that had the least chances of winning came out winners in all 4events, and the bookies went laughing all the way to the bank. Specially in the case of IPL. Last year at the beginning of IPL, RR was given the worst odds of winning. This year, it was DC. Next year, put your money on KKR.
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I think its all decided long back .
I am the eternal optimist. I read your post and thought to myself, "no not so..."

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Every team that helped Pakistan win should be held responsible.
Watched the SA - PAK match. It was very clear SA didnt want to win. Look at the 3 overs, wasnt it apparent.

I realised this tournament is fixed after watching this match.

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Indian domestic cricket talent is substandard compared to Aus/SA or may be even England.
You are way, way off here. The talent here is best in the world and even better. Problem is playing conditions and fitness of the players. The pitches and grounds are more consistent all over the world now.

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Next year, put your money on KKR.
I am keeping that free badge of KKR i received this time round for buying a Nokia phone. I will be wearing it next season
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Old 22nd June 2009, 13:12   #234
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This WC shows that T20 involves having a lot of luck. I can now understand why Bishan Bedi hates T20 so much. The Pakistanis were just lucky but I am happy that Sri Lanka did not win just because Lasith Malinga throws the ball.
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How many here think this WC is rigged?
Read below, I knew this even before the first ball was delivered in WC

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I feel this time around it will be very close fought T20 WC. On a given day anything can happen, any team can win or loose.

Though India looks in a good shape to defend it with Sehwag, Gambhir, Raina, Yuvraj, R Sharma, Y Pathan and Dhoni.

But watch out for Aussies, SAF and SL.

PAKIS... damn... but they did well against Aussies and were the other finalists in the previous edition.
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So each and every player should know not to perform well against the "Chosen" winner is it ? Come on there will be some one who will spill the beans.
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So each and every player should know not to perform well against the "Chosen" winner is it ? Come on there will be some one who will spill the beans.
Remember Hansie Cronje?

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Remember Cronje?

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Yeah I remember him and also remember that he had befriended Gibbs, or rather it was decided by the bookies that Gibbs should get out within 20 runs, which he could not.

What I mean to say that it requires each and every player to be bribed so as to not perform well in a T20. Suppose you bribe 2 players, the rest can win it for you, which will be against the bet.

If you bribe all, there is always a chance that some unhappy soul/someone with integrity will spill the beans.
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Yeah I remember him and also remember that he had befriended Gibbs, or rather it was decided by the bookies that Gibbs should get out within 20 runs, which he could not.
The point is its possible. At the highest level at that.

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What I mean to say that it requires each and every player to be bribed so as to not perform well in a T20. Suppose you bribe 2 players, the rest can win it for you, which will be against the bet.
Yeah its a risk, but its a very very well calculated one. And in this WC i am not really saying its bookies who have cooked this up

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If you bribe all, there is always a chance that some unhappy soul/someone with integrity will spill the beans.
Having played 1st class cricket for about 7 years, I know each word of the contract i signed with the cricket governing board here in India. If you want to "spill the beans" its like trying to get a duck wet.

I am not saying its a horror story but with the money at stake no one wants to.

It happens at the first class level. Fixed is different from decided.

Its not like they line you up and go "hey you, get out on the first ball." If there is an upset you will see heads rolling.
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Yeah I remember him and also remember that he had befriended Gibbs, or rather it was decided by the bookies that Gibbs should get out within 20 runs, which he could not.

What I mean to say that it requires each and every player to be bribed so as to not perform well in a T20. Suppose you bribe 2 players, the rest can win it for you, which will be against the bet.

If you bribe all, there is always a chance that some unhappy soul/someone with integrity will spill the beans.
I also remember Cronje mentioning that Kallis is beyond approach and there is no way he will throw a game, being a very religious person.

But i think how it works is that you get only a handful of key players on your side. In T20, you would need even lesser players. One over can change the game. So you pay one strike bowler to have a couple of bad overs, and then couple of main batsmen to score slow, and there you have decided the fate of the match.

Ofcourse, i dont have any inside information or source to provide proof of above.
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