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Old 30th May 2009, 13:20   #31
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Sirs, no one is bullying anyone. It is just a proud expression. By the way – we are talking about Indians being stabbed with knife, which makes bullying look like a joke. To be honest - if someone is nice person i make friends (we all do), if not......we get rid of them.
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aerohit, so you bully foreigners randomly? No wonder when we go out, their compatriots return the favour. Ever heard of Gandhi?
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So that he could learn how to bully foreigners
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pranava999, I have travelled to many other countries, and still is touch with people from every country i have lived in, US included (not a company sponsored trip, i dont count it as a "trip") I wont go to US again, because I have already seen it. I wish to see Latin America next. My goal is to see entire world, not just stupid Aus, or US, or UK, Canada. The world is a great place, I want to see "real" beautiful cultures of Egypt, Argentina, Brazil, Sri Lanka, Philippines and neighboring India region. Just because US/Aus has nice highway dont mean i will go there. Does that answer your question?

I dont have cheap beggar/immigrant mentality. I am living a good life in India. India has given me, and I am happy to earn it. That makes me proud Indian, and give India something in return. Adopt children instead of having my own - because i dont want to over breed like animals.

You see, you have to “earn” it in India. In US, they are just enjoying fruits of your labour..Ha Ha Ha?? Ha Ha???

The point is – Aus is not your land. It is their land. Typically, they view Indians as blood suckers who are there to grab every open opportunity. Typically, Indians live isolated in separate communities, AUS citizens wont mix with them easily, or share a rented apartment. So why still lick them?

I believe due to lack of jobs globally, such incidents may rise, because Indians as you know, may not give a damn about stealing a foreign job and displacing a natural born Aus citizen jobless.
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Just one question! Why did you go to the US in the first place ?
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We love American goras but we hate African Americans.
We see the Europeans as friends and the Nepali and Chinese as servants in our homes.
I have lived in Tanzania, Africa, and they are really nice people. It is sad that Indians disrespect Africans. (if it is the colour, then i think indians are just as black). Also, what harm did Africans do to India? It is the western countries that raped India, yet Indians lick them. African culture is beautiful and has lot of respect within. They were the victims of slavery. I try to be nice to them. After all, there are many African students in Bangalore, what message should they send back home?

(psst- If India wants to develop, Africa/Latin America is the best friend to be - they got all the resources, but I worry India ignored this and is too late because China has already bought most of the mines)
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Why don't we just concentrate on the crimes of the Aussies and other Racists. If Indians do whatever they do (as pointed out by many), it's not causing any problems for the Aussies. They're not getting hurt in the Maharastrain-Bihari fight or anything else. By posting such things you are further spoiling the reputation of Indians and inviting more attacks. I started this thread to protest against Racism in Australia against Indians. There are some who are badly injured and fighting for life. They went there to study or work there Legally and not to loot like the Brits (who happen to be the ancestors of these Aussies) did in all their colonies. Those who want to convert this into a Indian Bashing Thread, please start another thread if you like. Please don't be so insensitive to those who are suffering far away from home.
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Seriously we should really get off the back foot and stop crying blue murder. We're Indians. The whole world knows who we are and what we do. We make fun of ourselves and enjoy making fun of others.

Everyone from every country in the world gets stabbed. It may not be right, but I'm not going to stop drinking Coca Cola because of it. I have no time, I need to continue being Indian and progress as much as I can without worrying about uneducated, narrow-minded and uncultured racists.
And I'm not going to stand up and howl about how badly we're treated because it makes us look weak (which we most certainly are NOT)

We (all humans) treat other humans differently when they look different from us. Deal with it and get on with life.
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We (all humans) treat other humans differently when they look different from us. Deal with it and get on with life.
.. Yepp, I feel its time to close this thread and get on with life. Some people are still living in the dark ages.. let them.
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.. Yepp, I feel its time to close this thread and get on with life. Some people are still living in the dark ages.. let them.
Exactly as long as no one near and dear is affected. If that happens we may see some change in attitude. I like the way people get up an make a huge hue and cry everytime a foreigner is attacked in India (It's a good thing we're concerned about visitors to our country). However we prefer to ignore the same (or worse) treatment to Indians. Anyway get on with life and shine some of your light on those living in the dark ages.
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I am angry about that cop on TV who said it is not because of their incompetence and corrupt police but because Indians are an "easy target." They are no better than our very own Indian police who are infamous for being corrupt
We all know, some young girls were murdered in Goa in recent times, neither police nor public did anything about it. So, in some way, i feel it is tit for tat for Indian experience outside India.
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I like the way people get up an make a huge hue and cry everytime a foreigner is attacked in India (It's a good thing we're concerned about visitors to our country). However we prefer to ignore the same (or worse) treatment to Indians. Anyway get on with life and shine some of your light on those living in the dark ages.
What do you know of how foreigners are treated in your country?

Would you like to be a foreigner in India who gets cheated or quoted higher than anyone else for EVERY service or product because you look like a tourist and can probably afford it?

Would you like to walk down the street and be frequently accosted by uneducated people whose only experience with white people and their understanding of them is what they see in hollywood or worse - pornographic movies?

Do you know HOW many people there are in India who are not as educated as you - rickshaw/taxi wallahs, watchmen, bhelwalas, chaiwalas and who assume that every white woman is gagging for sex from every passerby and they expose themselves indecently to her, leering, whistling and touching themselves suggestively, even walking up to her and speaking to her in a suggestive or threatening manner?

These are the same people whose wives and sisters hide at home, covered from head to foot because they are Indian women.

Will you then take collective responsibility for the behaviour of every uneducated loafer/watchman/bhelwala/paanwala/beggar/rickshaw-wallah? Because they are AS INDIAN AS YOU!
One country, one people - just like Australia, UK and USA!

Would you like all white people to stop visiting India in protest then? Should they stop buying/consuming everything that comes from India then? Because some uneducated, uncultured racist Indian treated some of their fellow-countrymen very badly?

If you cannot hold yourself accountable for every Indian's behaviour (ALL -and not just those of your socio-economic and educational strata,) do not hold all of a nation, any nation responsible for racism.

Don't preach to a full house unless you have an agenda for yourself.

Like I said - all humans treat other people that look differently. It may not be a nice thing, but it exists. When we're above it ourselves as a nation, we can cry about how badly we're treated everywhere.

Till then we should shut up.

I do not condone the incident that occurred. It was repulsive to all humanity, not only to India.
I apologise for the strong words. Please don't be offended.

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What do you know of how foreigners are treated in your country?
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Like I said - all humans treat other people that look differently. It may not be a nice thing, but it exists. When we're above it ourselves as a nation, we can cry about how badly we're treated everywhere.
Completely agree, this is a basic human nature.

Overall, only thing that one can do is to be proactive about it and safeguard yourself.

And in these times this issue runs deeper. Some people in US/EU have reasons for being angry. Reasons like being out of job.

And it does not help if they perceive a particular race to be the reason for job losses.
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The indifference to this incident on this forum is SHOCKING. This forum is a very good example showcasing the fact that Indians are the most self critical and self doubting people in the world.

We don't have unity, we will never stand up for anyone and will accept the beating at the hands of the noble white man.

To be very honest, this forum have angered me far more than the attack itself.

Kindly see the following video.



And also remember that around 20 attacks on Indians have taken place in last one month alone. Many Indians have died already. We are already called "dot heads" "curry muncher" "apu" etc etc.

Ancestors of the same people took away children from the aboriginals and sent them to Church run orphanages where the aboriginal children were sexually exploited, this was done because the Christian white man thought that the aboriginals cannot take care of their own children.

Yet look at the indifference shown by people like Sam Kapasi.

If this would have happened to some Chinese, this would have been in the weekly edition of newsweek-time-economist. But because of lack of guts to stand up for ourself, this will soon be forgotten till next attack will happen. Remember what the Chinese did to CarreFour when the Olympic torch bearers were attacked in France by Tibetans.

It is because of this attitude we Indians are considered pushover, remember how the Australian PM turned us down when we requested the sale of Uranium the reason they gave for this was non-proliferation, yet this doesn't stop Australia to sell Uranium to China.

When the evangelical missionaries were burnt alive in Orissa by tribal, it was a huge news all over, the Australians were livid with anger . The western press was condemning the Hindus society as a whole. The NGOs were protesting. Our own media was putting the story on the front page.

When the "racial gesture/ ape / maaki" incident happened with Andrew Symonds, again Australians made sure it came to notice and it was on their front page.

Yet when Indians are stabbed to death, they are attacked in trains and are looted and are called curry muncher-dot_heads etc etc, we Indians rather than standing up for our brethren are in fact giving the benefit of doubt to the noble white man of Australia.

Explain to me what is not racist about those white boys beating the Indian in the train ?

Explain to me what does Indian skin tones and skin cream have anything to do with race-ism ?

India have nothing to lose by boycotting these Australians, because most of the trade we do involves raw materials and tourism(also educational tourism).

China taught France a good lesson and showed that they have balls, when are we going to grow our own pair ?

But seems some of us are quite happy with our pushover personality.

No wonder that Kasab and his pals were confident on taking on a city of 14 million people.
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What do you know of how foreigners are treated in your country?
I know very well how foreigners are treated in India as well as how Indians are treated abroad. You seem to be hellbent upon supporting the Aussies. I wondered if the Aussies would have reacted like you if an Aussie was attacked in India. As long as you keep blaming Indians, attacks will continue. Remember how the Aussie Cricket team used to attack the Indians? After the stood up and fought back, they were quiet. Anyway this is a public forum and you should learn to respect the views of others. This thread was not started to discuss what happens among Indians in India. If you read the first post you'll know. Please mind your language when you post. Everyone is capable of making strongly worded statements. However that's not in the spirit of this forum. My intention in starting this thread was to unite us Indians and not to highlight and harp about differences and deficiencies.
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Exactly as long as no one near and dear is affected. If that happens we may see some change in attitude. I like the way people get up an make a huge hue and cry everytime a foreigner is attacked in India (It's a good thing we're concerned about visitors to our country). However we prefer to ignore the same (or worse) treatment to Indians. Anyway get on with life and shine some of your light on those living in the dark ages.
I am all for making a hue and cry and putting some pressure on the aussie govt to provide additional police protection. But its an entirely different matter to go around shouting so and so country is racist, boycott them, beat them up when they come to India etc etc. THAT ACHIEVES NOTHING! Those who talk like that are the Indian version of the skin heads and white supremacist. (Unfortunately, I see a few samples on TBHP). And I got better things to do than hold even a candle on such individuals.

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Remember how the Aussie Cricket team used to attack the Indians? After the stood up and fought back, they were quiet.
Just a balanced view, you should also remember that the Aussie media (Remember Peter Roebuck's article?) and cricket loving public by and large, backed the Indian team during those days.

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The Yeti has spoken,and spoken wisely. Tolerance my friends tolerance. I personally believe in a dictum that goes "treat people the way you want to be treated" and in most situations it works fine.Be it with someone educated or someone who is not, cause respect for a fellow human being is not dictated by education, race, money, etc and in most situations it is reciprocated. In any case I guess all of us have to rise above out pettiness and do our bit.

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You seem to be hellbent upon supporting the Aussies. .
What? Lol.
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As long as you keep blaming Indians, attacks will continue. .
indians are being attacked? I'm blaming indians for this attack?

Where are you reading all this?

Tell me something pedro.

A British girl was raped and killed by some Goan boys not long ago. It wasn't the first time.

Should all of the UK stand up against all Indians for this? Personally I think it was an awful thing to do.
But I'm not in Goa.
Let's talk internal views. Should I hold all of Goa responsible for the actions of a few drunk boys in that state? Should I brand all Goan boys as rapists and boycott sorpotel tomorrow?
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My intention in starting this thread was to unite us Indians and not to highlight and harp about differences and deficiencies.
I read your opening post again.
Your intention in starting this thread was to hold Australia responsible as a nation and to unite us indians against an entire country and to boycott them and their products

A narrow-minded non-thinking approach IMO. Probably why nobody on this free-thinking forum has proclaimed his whole-hearted support to your noble cause.

I respect your view. I contradict it completely.

If you don't want contradi
ctions, don't post your opinion on a public forum for discussion.

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Ancestors of the same people took away children from the aboriginals and sent them to Church run orphanages where the aboriginal children were sexually exploited, this was done because the Christian white man thought that the aboriginals cannot take care of their own children.
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