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Old 11th June 2009, 10:52   #91
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Default Airspeed and Groundspeed tell us different things

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GPS can measure altitude.
GPS need 3 satellites to produce a fix.for altitude(3D fix) it need 4 satellites..
Even the cheap GPS receiver in a Nokia N82 cellphone usually "sees" 5 or 6 satellites, without an external antenna.

A $3000+ IFR certified aviation GPS receiver with Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring (RAIM) that integrates barometric altitude input from an altimeter, should do much better than that.

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it however cannot measure airspeed, only groundspeed.
Airspeed will only tell us if the aircraft flew fast enough to break-up.
Bodies have been recovered from positions over 80 km apart from each other. Clearly the Airbus didn't hit the ocean in one piece, but zoomed into pieces while still airborne.

More importantly, Groundspeed and altitude will tell us where to look for the remnant pieces of the wreck.

The black boxes can be in a 40 km circle and upto 6 km deep.

Under perfect conditions, their audio “pings” can't be "heard" beyond 4.5 km. Quite a herculean task that, to find those black boxes in the remaining two weeks, even with sophisticated equipment.

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In one of the episodes of Nat Geo, a similar incident as the France Airliner happened. After post mortem of the bodies, they found that none of them died due to drowning. That meant that they were dead before crashing to the ocean. That gave way to a theory of a mid air blast taking place.
Any idea of the post mortem reports conducted on the bodies found ?
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After post mortem of the bodies, they found that none of them died due to drowning. That meant that they were dead before crashing to the ocean. That gave way to a theory of a mid air blast taking place.
Any idea of the post mortem reports conducted on the bodies found ?
That is because most die due to shock before they would reach their obvious end. Also falling down, even in water form such a great hieght and speed, they would not survive the impact.

Generally the worst kind of death is, what one faces in high altitudes due to an aircraft tearing apart. As misunderstood, the death is not instantaneous but one of the worst, most painful and horrific kinds. Due to de pressurised cabins one does not feel the difference in aircrafts. Nor do we feel the sub zero temperatures high above, unless something this unfortunate happens.

The sudden exposure to the outside temperature almost blast freezes you, then due to the difference in temperature, the eyes pop out and there is bleeding from the ears. The intestines and the lungs are in the meanwhile making their way out of the body. Of course most people die due to shock but if oe survives the explosion or the rupture of the aircraft. This is what one has to go through.

The Germans are the only ones who have any documented data to back up the effects of changes in pressure in high altitudes. Apparently they had a concentration camp in East Germany where they had built such pressure cabins and they tried this stuff on the victims, keeping a log, of the minutest of changes in the human body due to changes in the pressure. This data is the only such data available which even NASA has used for their space programmes. Unfortunate but true.
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Even the cheap GPS receiver in a Nokia N82 cellphone usually "sees" 5 or 6 satellites, without an external antenna.

A $3000+ IFR certified aviation GPS receiver with Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring (RAIM) that integrates barometric altitude input from an altimeter, should do much better than that.
I never said they Dont "see" more than 4 satellites.was just stating facts.


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Two shots taken inside the plane before it crashed. Unbelievable! Photos taken inside the GOL B 737 aircraft that was involved in a mid air collision and crashed.The two photos attached were apparently taken by one of the passengers in the B737, These photos were retrieved from the camera's memory stick
In the first photo there is a gaping hole in the fuselage through which you can see the tail plane and vertical fin of the aircraft. In the second photo, one of the passengers is being sucked out of the gaping hole.These photos were found in a digital Casio Z750,amidst the remains in Serra do Cachimbo. Although the camera was destroyed, the Memory Stick was recovered. Investigating the serial number of the camera, the owner was identified as xxx, an actor of a theatre for children known in the outskirts of Porto Alegre. It can be imagined that he was standing during the impact with the Embraer Legacy and during the turbulence, he managed to take these photos, just seconds after the tail loss the aircraft plunged. So the camera was found near the cockpit. The structural stress probably ripped the engines away, diminishing the falling speed, protecting the electronic equipment but not unfortunately the victims.
MODS Can I post these pics?

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Awesome. WIthout even looking at the pics, which btw are not uploaded right now. I must say its awesome.

The folks look so Lost to me.
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[FONT=Times New Roman] Unbelievable!
let me tell you something about "unbelievable!" forwards.
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Awesome. WIthout even looking at the pics, which btw are not uploaded right now. I must say its awesome.

The folks look so Lost to me.
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D-Man, it has already been mentioned in a previous post that it is a hoax mail and the pictures are taken from the trailer of the TV Series 'Lost'.

Btw, to put this issue to rest, here is the trailer link - link (See the scenes from 20 secs onwards)

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let me tell you something about "unbelievable!" forwards.
YUP! but seeing is beleiving. Not sure if it is a PS job or it is for real

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D-Man, it has already been mentioned in a previous post that it is a hoax mail and the pictures are taken from the trailer of the TV Series 'Lost'.

Btw, to put this issue to rest, here is the trailer link - link
LOL Well guess what i am sending the same link to the chain of forwards i received

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there is another air crash involving a airbus of yemen air which killed all except one child. why is no body talking about it? it was also a big airplane carrying human beings. did the air france have indians on board for it to be discussed so much here and in indian media? what an attitude all have.
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mostly because there was no mystery this time. air france was assumed missing for a long time before a crash was determined.

Yemen airlines is considered to be the worst in safety as far as i can remember.
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A robotic submarine has retrieved the black box flight data recorder from the Airbus A330 that had flown the ill-fated Air-France AF447.

On 1st June, it will be two years ago.

The orange cylinder was found 3.9 km below sea level (12,800 feet down), where the light is pitch dark, temperatures are freezing and pressure is equivalent to that of the weight of a car on a postage stamp.
The voice recorder still remains to be found.

Did its memory survive the impact and two years of high pressure corrosive sea water? Remains to be seen.

The exterior casing of the orange cylinder was intact. It's supposed to survive a 1500 g impact and 30 days under 6.1 km of seawater. Awaiting what de Bureau Enquêtes-Accidents (BEA) at Le Bourget, Paris uncovers.
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BBC News - Air France cockpit voice recorder recovered
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'Pilots could have saved' Air France plane - Europe - Al Jazeera English
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The full report of the crash is due next month. And all reports till now point to human error.

Telegraph says the most alarming thing is that the fatal errors committed by the pilot who was flying the plane were not corrected by his more experienced colleagues because they did not know he was behaving in a manner bound to induce a stall.

And the reason for that fatal lack of awareness lies partly in the design of the control stick – the “side stick” – used in all Airbus cockpits.

Read more here. Air France Flight 447: 'Damn it, we’re going to crash’ - Telegraph
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