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Old 15th June 2010, 09:47   #151
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Pencillin - the first antibiotic - comes from fungus.
Over time, bacteria mutated to became resistant to Pencillin & other natural antibiotics & hence synthetic antibiotics needed to be created.
Based on this it's very likely that if Calendula starts getting used widely, bacteria will surely mutate to develop resistance to it & it would stop working.
A particular type of pneumonia cured by a homeopathic medicine say lycopodium is able to cure that type of pnuemonia even after 200 years after the first usage.

It is because the infinitly smaller doses of homeopathic medicines don't fight with the bacteria and make them become develop immunity to the drug. On the contrary they strengthen the defensive mechansim inherent in the body to get rid of the infection.

So Calendula lotion helps even after another hundred years even if millions use them.

The medicines in homeopathy are as effective today as they were two hundred years ago. Whereas in allopathy we find that they become ineffective pretty quickly and a new drug with added strength is required quite often.

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UPDATE: My son who had problems of boils on his torso was being treated by a homeopath. We had to travel and hence requested the homeopath to give us medicines which would last around 10 days. He also advised for a complete blood test. When we were in our hometown, we did not have access to a good homeopath but did go to a known pathologist for a complete blood test. He recommended that we go to a skin specialist instead of a pediatric. We went there right away and he told us that there was some infection in his blood - his hemoglobin was low and so were quiet a few other counts. He gave us a combination of oral syrups and exterior creams/lotions to apply around the infected area. He did advice us to keep taking the homeopathy medicines if we were comfortable with that. My son is completely cured of the infection/boils now.

I am not saying that allopathic medicines cured my son. If the homeopath would have been given an option even he'd had cured my son. But I wanted quick relief for my son and a familiar skin specialist was available and hence opted for it. If i had access to a good homeopath, I'd have tried him too.

I am of the opinion to go to a good doctor who knows your history and you can trust, irrespective of homeopathy/ayurveda/allopathy. Any good doctor would advise you for further appropriate treatment
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Old 15th June 2010, 10:50   #153
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Natural substances can be toxic, harmful & have side effects.
Snake poison is natural & so is poison ivy.
If one goes through the history of homeopathy, Hahnemann, the founder of homeopathy used crude doses in the beginning to test his theory of similia similibus curentar. He observed that though they are effective in their intended use they produced some unwanted effects too.

The concept of dilution and potentiation occured to him as a way to reduce these side effects. To his astonishment he found that these dilutions have become more potent with less side effects. He started calling them potencies.

In homeopthy we have the most potent snake poisions like Lachesis, Naja and they are made harmless by the process of potentiation.

Similarly even chemical poision like Arsenicum is found to be a highly useful medicine for many day to day as well as chronic problems in the potensised form.

Poision Ivy is known as Rhustox in homeopathy and even beginners use it with success and it is one of the first aid remedies. Homeopathy has found a way to use many substances that are declared poisionous/ harmful even in moderate doses.

Had it not been for homeopathy the theraupatic help of the above class of medicines would have been lost by the mankind.

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Old 15th June 2010, 11:41   #154
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It is because the infinitly smaller doses of homeopathic medicines don't fight with the bacteria and make them become develop immunity to the drug. On the contrary they strengthen the defensive mechansim inherent in the body to get rid of the infection.

So Calendula lotion helps even after another hundred years even if millions use them.
I thought you said that Calendula lotion was phytotheraphy, not homeopathy. Phytotherapy doesn't do dilutions like homeopathy, I think.

Another thing is that I think the number of years a medicine is in use is not as relevant to bacterial mutations as the mass usage. So whether bacteria will develop resistance to calendula after mass use (like pencillin was) or not is speculation as best - we have no way to determine whether it will or not.

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The medicines in homeopathy are as effective today as they were two hundred years ago. Whereas in allopathy we find that they become ineffective pretty quickly and a new drug with added strength is required quite often.
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Not really true for all allopathic medication. What you are saying is true mostly for antibacterials because bacteria mutate - there is no reason why bacteria shouldn't mutate for phytotherapic medicines if phytotherapic medications get into mass usage.

Allopathic nitrates are as effective for heart problems today as they were when they were first discovered (1920-30's, I think)
Benadryl is as effective an antihistamine today as it was when it was first used (80 years back).
Loperamide works for stomach problems as well as it did 40 years back.
Rantidine works as well for heartburn like it did 30 years back.
The list is endless.
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Too late to edit the earlier post, but I wanted to add this.

It's not that I don't believe in non-allopathic medication. I am more arguing against the criticism of allopathy.

Allopathy has changed the world & increased the life span & quality of life of human beings. Kids used to die from Type 1 diabetes at a very early age till Banting & Best discovered Insulin. People used to die from infections or get amputated till pencillin started being used.
One out 10 kids used to die before age 5 a couple of 100 years back from stuff like malaria, diarhea etc.

The average lifespan of a human being is 25 years more today than it was 100 years back - one of the reasons for this is allopathy.

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It is because the infinitly smaller doses of homeopathic medicines don't fight with the bacteria and make them become develop immunity to the drug. On the contrary they strengthen the defensive mechansim inherent in the body to get rid of the infection.
Isn't this very similiar to vaccination in allopathy?

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I agree that the application of calendula for lacerated wounds is not strictly homeopathy as the principle of similia similibus curantar is not applied there. However since the medicine is diluted very much before applying it, it won't offer enough resistance to the bacteria to make them mutate. As such I still believe it will be useful forever.

If you compare the milligram doses of allopathic medicnes even the phytotherapic doses are infinitely small and hence doesn't offer enough resistance for the bacteria to mutate. Remember that allopathy used to give much much larger doses at the time of Hannemann and his efforts are partly responsible for making the allopathic doses too progressively smaller and smaller.

I know many patients who start with an antacid like digene and switch over to medicines like Rantidine when it no longer relieves. And when that too fails to give the needed relief after an year or two they switch over to homeopathy and get cured. :-)

I too am not denying that 'modern medicine' has its place. Modern medicine is not allopathy. Allopathy is primaly giving medicines to suppress symptoms. The goal is palliation and it will never cure. On the other hand modern medicine gives support to the failing organs and help in faster recovery.

So we are against allopathy. Not against modern medicine as such. I hope the distinction between these two is noted.

We give Cratageus instead of the nitrates, pothos instead of benadryl and podo instead of loperamide (or some other medicines based on the symptom similiarity) in infinitely smaller doses and get better results. However we do recommend to admit the patient in a multi speciality hospital in case he is having a heart attack, a stroke and similar emergencies.

We take charge again after they are discharged. :-)

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I too am not denying that 'modern medicine' has its place. Modern medicine is not allopathy. Allopathy is primaly giving medicines to suppress symptoms. The goal is palliation and it will never cure.
This is a myth. When I go to my doctor with a fever caused by a bacterial infection, he gives me an antipyretic like Crocin to treat my symptom (the fever). At the same time he also gives me an antibiotic to cure my infection.

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Remember that allopathy used to give much much larger doses at the time of Hannemann and his efforts are partly responsible for making the allopathic doses too progressively smaller and smaller.
Do you have any citation for this? As far as I know, doctors titrate medication dosages for the optimum results.

I have a homeopathy question.

I have a dull pain in my calf for the last 10-15 years. The pain is usually very dull - I have never ever taken a pain killer for it - it's that light. It doesn't affect my normal routine at all. The dull ache comes & goes - sometimes I don't have it for a few days, weeks. It usually worse after the evening. It's worse when I lie down (worse is too strong a word, it's not bad even when I lie down).
The fact that it's worse in the evening & also when I lie down may even be because during the day & when I am working, walking, driving etc, I don't pay attention to it -I have no idea if this is the reason.
The pain is also slighty worse when I have an upset stomach - this may point to some kind of dehydration, but that was also ruled out by docs. I drink lots of water all the time, probably more than anyone I know. I also the have right quantity of salt, sugar in my diet.

I have gone to regular docs & they have ruled out anything serious like Peripheral Artery Disease or Deep Vein Thrombosis or any vascular problems or anything else.

Other causes I have investigated are
- Pottasium deficiency - I tried bananas & pottasium supplements, didn't help.
- Muscle Tightness - I have done calf stretching exercises, these didn't help at all.

Stuff which has worked.

- Long long back, I visited a homeopath, he gave me some pills for a month & it totally worked & my pain dissapeared from day 3 or 4. The homeopath said my problem was cramps in my calves. I didn't have the pain for a couple of months after I stopped the homepathic pills, but then it recurred. I went back to the doc, but turns out he had died, so I could never figure out what was the actual homeopathic medication he gave me.

- Once I went to a posture therapist. He told me it was because of weak back muscles. He gave me some exercises to do everyday for 5 minutes for strengthening my back. I started doing used to feel relief sometimes, sometimes not. Finally I gave it up after a month when the pain didn't reduce significantly or anything. A month after I gave up the excercises, all of a sudden the pain stopped & I didn't have pain for a month. Now it's started again. No idea if the back strengthening excercise was what gave me the temporary relief for a monnth. Planning to start it again.

However, who likes to exercise :-)
So I was wondering if you could somehow guess the medicine the homeopath could have given me for my problem (which he said was cramps). I would like to try it again to see if it helps.

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I abort all fevers with homeopathic medicines. Period.

No need for antibiotics. Fever is not a symptom as such. We differentiate fevers by observing the patient.

Some want to drink a lot of water. Some want only a sip or two. Some have headache. Some have bodyache. Some want to be covered. Some don't want to. There are many aspects like these that are taken into considerarion and a suitable medicine is selected to cover these symptoms peculiar to the individual.

Homeopathy selects medicines based on the uncommon symptoms. Allopathy knows only the common symptoms. That is the major difference between allopathy and homeopathy.

For your calf pain start with Mag.phos 6x. 4 tablets as a dose. Twice daily. Stop after a week and report. It can be a hit or miss. For proper homeopathic advice you need to answer lot of questions.

However do try this. Most probably it will help.

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Also , the basic of homoeopathy is 'treat the patient and not the desease'.
Also individualisation is important in deciding the medicine (symptom to take a whole and not partly) and administer Single Medicine, Minimum Dose'.
If taken correctly, homoeopathy can give wonderful result.
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You were travelling all the day and by the time you get down from the bus your legs feel like they are wooden logs. Many people experince this or similar travel related muscular problems.

Take three doses of Rhustox 200c in a span of two hours and experience the relief you get.

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Homeopathy selects medicines based on the uncommon symptoms. Allopathy knows only the common symptoms. That is the major difference between allopathy and homeopathy.
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What made you to think like that?Are you reading allopathy books too?

BTW is this thread only about bashing allopathy and whoever tries to defend allopathy or give some logic will get warning?
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Thanks to internet one can gain insights into any subject that interests them. Allopathy is no exception.

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rsjaurr : BTW is this thread only about bashing allopathy and whoever tries to defend allopathy or give some logic will get warning?
hey - what makes you think so ?

Definitely not about bashing allopathy, though there was a bit of bashing that went in. Like Samurai has said, this thread is more about exploring alternative medicine.

Btw, is work keeping you busy ? And Hopefully, we can see a better discussion here than what we had seen some time back.
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gavinmurthy, can you kindly refrain from bashing allopathy? The war of allopathy vs alternative medicine has been stopped long back on this thread. This thread is about alternative medicines and not about bashing/trashing any particular stream including allopathy.
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I abort all fevers with homeopathic medicines. Period.

No need for antibiotics. Fever is not a symptom as such. We differentiate fevers by observing the patient.

Some want to drink a lot of water. Some want only a sip or two. Some have headache. Some have bodyache. Some want to be covered. Some don't want to. There are many aspects like these that are taken into considerarion and a suitable medicine is selected to cover these symptoms peculiar to the individual.

Homeopathy selects medicines based on the uncommon symptoms. Allopathy knows only the common symptoms. That is the major difference between allopathy and homeopathy.

For your calf pain start with Mag.phos 6x. 4 tablets as a dose. Twice daily. Stop after a week and report. It can be a hit or miss. For proper homeopathic advice you need to answer lot of questions.

However do try this. Most probably it will help.

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misunderstanding is a possibility when a part of the post is only quoted. I am not bashing allopathy. I am only telling the difference between these two streams of medicines.

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