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Old 24th March 2017, 15:19   #301
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Seriously, though, a huge number of allopathic medicines come from or were originally found in, herbal remedies from one school or another. Sadly, corruption seems to be part of human nature, and it is not enough to just use herbs that work for things that they work on.
Let us put it this way. Quinine to treat malarial fevers was originally derived from the cinchona tree. The thing is, any particular piece of cinchona bark that you powder and consume will have a widely varying amount of quinine content. If it is refined as quinine powder you can essentially get a precise and calibrated dosage.

Or digitalis from Rauwolfia Serpentina / reserpine for congestive heart disease. You can take rauwolffia flowers and leaves, dry and powder them, make a tea (or "kashaaya" as they say locally) out of them and consume a small amount. Risking a dangerous overdose every time you do that. Or you take the active ingredient as a precisely calibrated dosage, and under close medical supervision.

The thing is - every time you have a treatment that relies more on your faith that it will work rather than repeatable and third party validated data, you'd be wise to doubt it.
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If you have for example a stomach upset, taking an ayurvedic churan instead of dulcolax tablets is entirely your choice and will not make much of a difference. For anything more serious than that .. well, it is your body, your choice. I will stick to allopathic medication.

My simple query was if people in the forum had tried ayurvedic treatment for diabetes (one specifically mentioned) and had had any experiences to share.
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My simple query was if people in the forum had tried ayurvedic treatment for diabetes (one specifically mentioned) and had had any experiences to share.
I am pre diabetic and yoga / diet ok for me.

I have diabetes across multiple members of my mother's family. They find a strict and balanced diet quite adequate to control diabetes though one or two of them are taking a few ayurvedic medicines, but only as supplements to insulin tablets or injections.
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... The thing is - every time you have a treatment that relies more on your faith that it will work rather than repeatable and third party validated data, you'd be wise to doubt it.
No, you don't: you have a treatment that relies on an active ingredient.

I get what you are saying about reliable dosing, and nobody should be self-prescribing lethal substances (eg digitalis), whether raw plant material or processed. Of course, it is one way to prove that the effect doesn't rely on faith! Bur death is a high price to pay.
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My simple query was if people in the forum had tried ayurvedic treatment for diabetes ... ... ...
I think that LonelyPlanet is entitled to a straight answer on this. This is the thread for discussing alternative medicines, not decrying them

I don't know about alternative treatments to diabetes. The only thing that I would advise is to proceed with care, and to absolutely avoid anyone who says to throw the alopathic medicine away because it is not needed.
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Of course, it is one way to prove that the effect doesn't rely on faith! Bur death is a high price to pay.
Ah, I see I hit send a bit too soon.

There was this other case of a young Chinese actress who got cancer and thought, mistakenly as it turned out, that acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine would sort her out.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a7310786.html

To answer his question - there are plenty of Ayurvedic medicines that will boost your immunity and general health, and a variety of foods that have beneficial properties. In allopathic medicine and modern dietary science, high fiber food with an appropriate glycemic index, no processed sugars or rich and fatty foods, meats etc and that is quite appropriate for a diabetic individual

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There are always stories of medicines that don't work, whether they be innocent, incompetent or plain fraudulent. They do not destroy traditional medicine any more than they destroy alopathic medicine.

I'm not talking about the pure quackery, such as the story that I read within the past few months, of someone who was treated for a lethal disease in an expensive American clinic by someone whose premise was that making the whole body alkaline fixes everything. She died.

We should indeed be wary: it is our lives we are playing with.
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There are always stories of medicines that don't work, whether they be innocent, incompetent or plain fraudulent. They do not destroy traditional medicine any more than they destroy alopathic medicine.
I guess the thumb rule is - use alternative medicine, trusted ones, for palliative care and general good health. As supplements to allopathic medicine, and always in consultation with your doctor.

Self medication using any form of medicine, faith based cures, or using people who claim that they have sovereign cures not available in allopathy, should be rigorously avoided.
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Self medication using any form of medicine, faith based cures, or using people who claim that they have sovereign cures not available in allopathy, should be rigorously avoided.
How about faith healing? If somebody prays, shouldn't that be considered self medication?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/l...ow/3104929.cms

I hear it has equal success rate as Homeopathy.
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I see lots of people who advocate allopathic medicine on the basis that it is verified, precise dosage and repeatable in its effectiveness. Perhaps its not true in every case.
There have been many incidents of fraudulent pharmaceutical research reports. The US FDA report for Dr.Reddys has the following paragraph, " Your laboratory records did not contain all raw data generated during each test for API batches manufactured at your firm. The investigator found that batch samples were routinely re-tested following failing or atypical results until acceptable results were obtained, and that failing or atypical results were not investigated or included in the official laboratory control records." https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcemen.../ucm473604.htm

Also to those who say that alternative medicines like Homeopathy work only on Faith healing, well, I've seen it cure my dog of Hematoma. Perhaps my dog had more faith in homeopathy than I knew. The allopathic cure was surgery which the vet did not want to do, and hence she recommended homeopathy, which worked.

I've also had first hand experiences with tonisilitis, vitiligo etc being cured by homeopathy and ayurveda when allopathy has failed miserably. OF course being educated people, we tried allopathy first, and switched over to alternative medicines only when it did not work.

So, without getting into any more debate, I feel that alternative therapy is NOT FAITH based and does work in many ailments.
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Hi! I am looking for skin specialists/references in Bangalore/Vellore (CMC)/Chennai for my mom who has been suffering with Psoriasis for quite a long time. We've tried all sorts of treatment (photo-therapy/herbal/ayurvedic/homeopathic/local treatment(jadi-buti) but everything has failed.
The condition is really bad. Could someone please help.
There is a Ayurved medicine available only in Hyderabad and costs just ₹15/- at specific Hyderabad medical stores.

It is a one medicine for all skin disease.
It is called Dhanraj Ointment and manufacturer is Ranka Ayurvedic and they are located in Shah Ali Banda.

I have tried every possible way to reach them and thank them but was unsuccessful.

You can get online only from one place

http://www.munnalaldawasaz.in/shop/dhanraj-malam25gr/


There is also mobile no mention at the site.



Try the Ointment for four days.
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Need some urgent help for a friend of mine.

Do you know anything or can refer me to somebody who knows about application of stem therapy for optic nerve atrophy ?

A close friends cousin has lost his eye sight due to damage to her optic nerve. She also lost her hearing a few weeks back.

Anyone who can help with or refer to some stem cell therapy experts ?
If Ayurveda is suitable, please check the below

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The US FDA report for Dr.Reddys has the following paragraph, " Your laboratory records did not contain all raw data generated during each test for API batches manufactured at your firm. The investigator found that batch samples were routinely re-tested following failing or atypical results until acceptable results were obtained, and that failing or atypical results were not investigated or included in the official laboratory control records." https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcemen.../ucm473604.htm
Ha ha. You might see how ayurvedic medicines get mixed with powdered aspirin, antibiotics, sildenafil citrate etc etc based on what they are supposed to cure.

When you have large companies manufacturing them rather than some saintly rishi grinding herbs in a mortar and pestle ..
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Ha ha. You might see how ayurvedic medicines get mixed with powdered aspirin, antibiotics, sildenafil citrate etc etc based on what they are supposed to cure.
And, first, people should understand that herbal medicine is just as chemical as pharmaceuticals. And the chemicals in the leaves can be dangerous too if not used properly. Natural does not mean safe.

I am a long-time fan of using herbs as medicine, but also a long-time advocate of the truth of herbs, not the myths or the romances.

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When you have large companies manufacturing them rather than some saintly rishi grinding herbs in a mortar and pestle ..
Mostly greater precision, less unwanted ingredients, etc etc. I'm a long-time fan of pharmaceuticals too . But it doesn't always work that way. We can accommodate the shades of grey. And green, brown... etc.
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I'm a long-time fan of pharmaceuticals too . But it doesn't always work that way. We can accommodate the shades of grey. And green, brown... etc.
I prefer herbs for some things. Dried and set to gently smoulder in a brazier, or vetiver dropped into a clay pot of water, that sort of thing. And of course nearly every headache and pain balm, cough drop etc out there is herbal and ayurvedic, if only for the tax benefits ayurvedic medicines enjoy in India
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Ha ha. You might see how ayurvedic medicines get mixed with powdered aspirin, antibiotics, sildenafil citrate etc etc based on what they are supposed to cure.

When you have large companies manufacturing them rather than some saintly rishi grinding herbs in a mortar and pestle ..
Yes, There are black sheep in every profession. However my point is that there are many effective alternative treatments available.

Saintly rishi's have long given way to modern ayurvedic factories. Many of them in Kerala grow their own herbs, their own goat/cow farms for the ghee, and manufacture medicines in house in GMP certified facilities. Make a trip to Kerala and see how the world has changed.
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