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Old 5th July 2009, 00:26   #106
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I dont even see a reason for debate. The court had ruled. End of Story.

- you like gays and have gay freinds - well good for you.

- you dont like gays and are opposed to being friends with anyone who is - well we are all free to choose our friends. gays wont bother you and you should not bother gays either.

END of Discusion.

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Atleast with this bit of legislation there wont be grounds for any harrassment (although I must say with full credit to the cops that I have never known a gay person to be harrassed by the cops for being gay).

Being gay is like being tall or short. Most (if not all) are born gay (atleast this is the feedback I have got during open discusssion with gay friends).

As far as the gay pride parade goes - you need to old enough to remember Stonewall (and the way that incident shook the social fabric of the NYC and maybe even the US) to understand gay pride. The rest of the (the lace and feathers; lipstick and leather) is all media. I took a niece (perched on my shoulders) to see the gay pride parade in NYC a few years ago (she was 31 mnonths old then). She commented "why are the men all dressed like women". I said "to prove a point". She accepted the argument. I really wish adults were as accomodating/accepting.

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-imagine you come home soon one day and find your teenage son with his best male pal......
I will be interested to know what YOU would do in such case. hand them over to police?

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now the primary purpose of sex, as nature intended it, is for reproduction.
gosh, i already have had two children i wanted, what do I do now?

and what about millions of solo-sexuals?

do you know nature never intended us to go at 70 kmph or fly? or communicate across continents.

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Bullock carts and trucks were designed for transportation. Mercs and Rolls were designed for luxury. Ferraris and lambos were designed for thrill of traveling fast.
everything except the ferraris and lambos are still made for transportation. its just the manner which changes. and the exotic italians are outright performance machines. using them to deliver pizzas would be unnatural. And then there is the case the ricermobile. unnatural by design - i trust no explanation is required there.
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And if a lot of people think that you are an idiot if you take your car out for a spin, does that make them right? Do you agree with them? Don't you just dismiss them as boring sods?
they might have a point. In a distant oil starved future, my grandkids would probably be shocked how their grandpa burnt up oil hooning for the heck of it

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For every gay man you know who got married only to please their parents, I know 10 heterosexual men who got married to please their parents (or for dowry) and then had extra marital affairs and ruined the lives of their partners. That makes heterosexual men sicker that homosexuals, by your reasoning.
you are talking about infidelity and promiscuity and social ills. thats a whole different thing. you are trying to find everything else that could ruin a girl's life and presenting that as an argument. not valid.

and are you saying that infidelity and promiscuity does not exist in the gay world ??? do you think gay people are not susceptible to lust and pandering and desires of the flesh and the temptation to stray out of a relationship ?? you need to get real.

don't confuse issues.

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In a distant oil starved future, my grandkids would probably be shocked how their grandpa burn up oil hooning for the heck of it
Not so distant greenie. Not so distant. You car lovers are all going to rot in hell. lol.
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everything except the ferraris and lambos are still made for transportation. its just the manner which changes. and the exotic italians are outright performance machines. using them to deliver pizzas would be unnatural.
greenie, sure using a lambo or prancing horse to deliver a pizza is not common. but we are talking about the law here. you wont get arrested if you delviered a pizza in a lambo, ferrari or even a Mack.

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Not so distant greenie. Not so distant. You car lovers are all going to rot in hell. lol.
Just for that Sam you will be born again as a car lover.

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you are talking about infidelity and promiscuity and social ills. thats a whole different thing. you are trying to find everything else that could ruin a girl's life and presenting that as an argument. not valid.

and are you saying that infidelity and promiscuity does not exist in the gay world ??? do you think gay people are not susceptible to lust and pandering and desires of the flesh and the temptation to stray out of a relationship ?? you need to get real.

don't confuse issues.
Right, your points, no matter how skewed are valid, everything else is invalid. How very mature. Are you trying to say gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals? In that case it's you who needs a reality pill. Don't try to justify your personal opinions by accusing other's opinions of being invalid.
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greenie, sure using a lambo or prancing horse to deliver a pizza is not common. but we are talking about the law here. you wont get arrested if you delviered a pizza in a lambo, ferrari or even a Mack.
In a mack, probably, or even driving a taxi or an autorikshaw could get me fined.I dont have a commercial license, and I'm not supposed to drive yellow plate vehicles without one.

But I suppose thats just the government enforcing its own rules. Its not exactly the government's job to enforce the rules of god or nature. Better leave that to their respective makers .

Now all they have to worry about is fire and brimstone

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what has fidelity to do with sexual orientation anyway? They are 2 completely separate issues.

This thread is clouded enough as it is.

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Dear Huntrz, You have an opinion and as other have said it previously already, one is entitled to have an opinion and so it is. But request you to clarify, what is common sense, who's common sense are we talking here and whats so common about common sense.
Subjugating the issue on discussion here to such generic and wide adjectives is not exactly in good taste.
Dear Milecruncher, I felt I narrowed it down as much as I can but if you think otherwise please refer to my explanation below.


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A disease?

Without any sarcasm or attempt at humour, I wish to understand your point - when you say that homosexuality is a disease, do you compare it directly to leprosy and meningitis (physical diseases) or schizophrenia (mental disease)?

My question - do you perceive it as a medical disease (either curable or incurable) or do you refer to it as a social disease? I ask because of the reference to swine flu.

I'm not arguing, just trying to understand your opinion.
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I call it a disease and a social disease to be precise. It has the potential to create a social chaos. In the process of accepting the people who are gay by birth or by chance, we are giving our future generations the option of being gay by "choice". Give it a thought. Its a double edged sword. I appreciate that you are ready as a parent to support your kids if they happen to be gay(and so will I) but would you like to be the one to show them the path towards homosexuality. Would it be a natural choice for you. I hope you understand the gravity of the situation.

Let me be candid here.
I am a smoker and the first time I puffed a cigarette was due to 2 reasons-
1. out of curiosity
2. cigarettes were easily available.
And then I was addicted to it.

I didn't graduate to marijuana because it wasn't easily available.

Is it so difficult to understand that by allowing hommosexuals to assert themselves in open public we are handing over an easily available and socially acceptable option to our future generations to try their hands on. Ten years down the line my experience with cigarettes could be replaced with some one's experience with homosexuality.

We cannot do anything for the curiosity factor but shall we not endeavor to make things difficult to access which we feel that our kids shouldn't voluntarily opt for.

Decriminalizing homosexuality would encourage newer crimes in the society which we haven't thought of and we aren't ready for, simply because there the still is no clear legal provisions. There is no clear provision in law to safeguard men against rape by a man. By decriminalizing homosexuality and with Section 377 in its current form it would be reduced to proving "absence of consent".

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Right, your points, no matter how skewed are valid, everything else is invalid. How very mature. Are you trying to say gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals? In that case it's you who needs a reality pill. Don't try to justify your personal opinions by accusing other's opinions of being invalid.
sorry to disappoint you, but it was you who was confusing infidelity, promiscuity and dowry with wilful concealement of your sexual orientation.

and i said that infidelity and promiscuity exists in the gay world *too*. i didn't say gays were more promiscuous than heterosexuals. you did.

distorting my words and mixing issues doesn't prove your point.

try again to understand the point i was making.

all things being equal, if you knew of a heterosexual male who had a vasectomy done or was impotent, but did not disclose this to his fiancee, would you be okay with that ?? would you not consider that it was his duty to inform his fiancee that he was incapable or not inclined to have a child ??

then why is it that a gay man getting married to a woman, just to please his parents seems acceptable to you ??

like i said, its easy to be impassioned and appear to be on the side of the underdog. when something like this happens to people you know, you see the ugly side of it. god forbid, if something like that happens to someone you care for, you will not be worrying about the guys who have extra-marital affairs or the people responsible for dowry deaths. all you will want to know is "if you are gay, then why did you marry her".

easy to take a stand when you haven't witnessed it first hand.

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99% of the parents also wouldn't want their offsprings to smoke. Does that mean if they found their children with a pack of smokes, they would call them diseased or indulging in an unnatural act?

Secondly what's unnatural about being gay? If there were a handful of people out of the 6 billion that inhabit this planet who were gays, maybe it could be termed as unnatural but we are talking about hundreds of thousands, or maybe even million of people here. What's unnatural about that?

Also how do you define unnatural? I think unnatural means going against the laws of nature. Like the sun rising from the south or a cow eating flesh. But which natural law is being subverted by gays? Is there a book of natural laws that I am unaware of? I think you are justifying your moral opinions by trying to call them natural and therefore anything that doesn't confirm to your morality must be unnatural. If it was unnatural to be gay, there wouldn't be millions of gays.
once he is 18 years old i have no problems if my son wants to smoke or consume alcohol but definately woudnt like him being gay
drinking or smoking is not a disease but the risk factor for the disease

and about whats un natural about being gay-
from the smallest single cell organism to the largest-blue wale and smartest animal-man primary function is to reproduce so that the species continues to thrive
have you seen animal planet,discovery or nat geo every organism wants to mate and produce offspring to continue their species some even die after mating-their last act in life but still they do it because they have been programed to do it
now why would they do it cause in addition to the programing god has made the act so pleasureable so that they reproduce and life continues

imagine tomorrow all the male lions in africa decide gay is the in thing, within 10 years there willl be no lions in africa
same way tomorrow if everyone in this world says hey gay is so cool whats wrong with it within the next 100 years planet earth will not have any more humans on it ----now do you understand why its un natural

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Hell rider, you spoke of men who were gay and despite this, married a girl to please their parents and carried on their gay affair. They did not stand up and speak for themselves and ruined their partner's life.

Does this happen in India? Of course!
actually, with un-criminalizing, it will be easier for gays to accept it publicly and not ruin a woman's life

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Hell rider, you spoke of men who were gay and despite this, married a girl to please their parents and carried on their gay affair. They did not stand up and speak for themselves and ruined their partner's life.

Does this happen in India? Of course!

But Astlevitz's point was that there are more cases of heterosexual men in love with a girl and yet marrying another girl to please their parents too. And they too don't put their foot down etc. etc and they too carry on their affairs.

In both cases, the life of the married woman is ruined. The chances of it happening are more with normal heterosexual men since they outnumber the gay men.
In either case it has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

Why is your point invalid and his not then?

And what has fidelity to do with sexual orientation anyway? They are 2 completely separate issues.
sam,
he was confusing infidelity with the issue i raised i.e. gays wilfully concealing their sexual orientation prior to marriage. not me.

your argument that heteros too have extra marital affairs and ruin the lives of people is not valid. which is the point HE made. to which i replied that promiscuity and infidelity exists in the gay world too.

you can't say heteros too are unfaithful and so it amounts to the same thing. you can't can't confuse relationship issues with wilful concealement of your sexual orientation.

A guy wilfully concealing that he is gay and marrying a girl is not the same as a guy cheating on his wife.

I'm sorry but i think its you guys who have it confused and are mixing issues.

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I call it a disease and a social disease to be precise. It has the potential to create a social chaos. In the process of accepting the people who are gay by birth or by chance, we are giving our future generations the option of being gay by "choice". Give it a thought. Its a double edged sword. I appreciate that you are ready as a parent to support your kids if they happen to be gay(and so will I) but would you like to be the one to show them the path towards homosexuality. Would it be a natural choice for you. I hope you understand the gravity of the situation.
I understand what you're saying.

I would not like to expose my offspring to any deviance. Rather I don't want to be the one to bring it up first.

However, with the way things are going, the information overload, MTV and the internet, oh God the internet - most children of 5 have already got pornography figured out completely.

Somehow, I'm beginning to think I'm not going to need to have the birds and the bees talk with my kids. - when I have some of course.

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