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Old 21st July 2009, 11:18   #1
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Default Moon landing, that too 40 years back. What do you think?

They say it has been 40 Years since man landed on moon.

Starting this thread to get Bhpians opinions about the so called moon landing which happned 40 years ago.

I believe that it never actually happened then, but they might have gone there to circle moon or floating somewhere in outer space to actually transmit a fake running commentary of stepping out of the capsule, walking on moon etc.

A very funny news came two days back, NASA says that the original video of moon landing is missing! The reason being they re-used the tapes to record something else when there was a shortage of tapes! Either they were so brainless or they actually wanted to hide the video fearing the modern day tool and technologies which can easily prove that the video is fake.

If you search the internet, it is very difficult to find sites which have substantial evidences on the moon landing hoax, because there are people sitting 24*7 to shut off such sites, counter argue with 'evidences' and so on.

Please share your views on this.
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I've seen a documentary on Discovery or Nat geo don't remember. There were quite a lot of inconsistancies in the pictures released to the public. Like, the US flag fluttering even though there is no wind on the moon, astronauts standing somewhere, the sun in some direction and the resultant shadows inconsistent. They had also shown the place on earth where they could have pulled that moon landing scene.
The Documentary concluded thus:
There was so much competition due to the cold war, that US was dead sure USSR (then) would beat it to the moon. Hence the stunt.
Later on USSR launched the fisrt un-manned satellite to the moon.

Classic example of media projecting what the Federal higher ups want to show to the world. This and some more like this make me take every news coming from that location with a pinch of salt.
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Yesterday night, on Discovery channel, i saw program on Apollo mission.
Though they claim success of Apollo11 mission, there are some doubts about the tape showing the moonwalk.
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Old 21st July 2009, 11:38   #4
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I strongly believe that moon landing was a definite scam because the US wanted to prove strong in the space division during the cold war period.

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Apollo 11 foto no. AS11-40-5864: Landing engine of the "Lunar Module" without landing crater, an impossibility. because the engine has a push of up to 5 tons

With a gravitation of only 1/6 of the Earth's gravitation a vertical landing with an engine would be obliged to produce an absolutely huge cloud of dust with stones in it, and all this should be visible on the "moon fotos"

Its a clear scam
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I agree with SCAM funda since it was a SCAM.
Everything goes to show it is a scam like as mentioned above the Flag fluttering and also the shadows of the astronauts are all skewed.
America wanted to be the first person on the moon and in those days they were ready to do anything to prove they were better than USSR.
Go through the link to understand more
Conspiracy Planet - Moon Landing Scam - Were Moon Landing Shots Faked?
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Old 21st July 2009, 13:32   #6
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Having been pipped to the post by the USSR on multiple occasions the US made a gigantic push towards putting a human on the moon. Thousands, if not millions of people, were directly or indirectly involved in the moon landings, which costed ~25 Billion USD way back in 1969 ! I remember reading somewhere that the US spent almost 1% of its GDP to beat the Russians to the moon.

The very fact that there's never been lunar landings since 1972 indicates the huge challenges that were overcome to get there in the first place. Its the farthest we as a species have gotten away from Earth & to call all that money, time, effort, & sacrifice a scam is sad. If indeed it was a scam, wouldn't the best people to prove it, i.e. the Russians, have done it already ? Instead we bury the immensity of that achievement in pseudo-science gleaned from grainy images. For thousands of years people, even the best minds, believed that heavier objects fell faster than lighter ones (Aristotle ?), it took Galileo to set them right - what seems obvious is not always right.

The lunar program was a humongous achievement, & we should be marveling at what was achieved, not denigrating it...
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I remeber one song of Jhonny Walker - Comedian of yesteryears.

Sikander ne Porus se kee thi ladayi, Jo kee thi ladayi, to mein kya karoon?

Now US went to the moon or not, by debating it what is to be acheived? If we prove it as a Scam then what, if we are able to prove it it indeed was true. Then what?

Its been 40 years since that event. And science has conquered new boundaries. Other then saying "We did it first" and being proud about it. What else have they achieved since then by claiming it? The Russians did it later and India is planning it in the future. Good job I say and now lets get on with saving the planet we live on.
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Highly debatable and very controversial. It's a very good studio work with too many give away's to catch them lying through their nose.

With the kind of temperatures we have on Moon, I am not sure if we have any material that would withstand such extreme conditions.
Mean surface temperature (day) 107C
Mean surface temperature (night) -153C
Maximum surface temperature 123C
Minimum surface temperature -233C
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Old 21st July 2009, 14:04   #9
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Its been 40 years since that event.
That's what makes it difficult for some people to believe I guess, but then, the fundamentals of mathematics were laid down thousands of years ago, no ?
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The Russians did it later and India is planning it in the future.
No, no Russian cosmonaut set foot on the moon, they did not even orbit the moon (or for that matter, neither has anybody else).
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Good job I say and now lets get on with saving the planet we live on.
Amen !
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With the kind of temperatures we have on Moon, I am not sure if we have any material that would withstand such extreme conditions.
Mean surface temperature (day) 107C
Mean surface temperature (night) -153C
Maximum surface temperature 123C
Minimum surface temperature -233C
Is space any kinder ? Or are all EVA missions hoaxes too ?

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Thousands, if not millions of people, were directly or indirectly involved in the moon landings, which costed ~25 Billion USD way back in 1969 ! I remember reading somewhere that the US spent almost 1% of its GDP to beat the Russians to the moon.
And yes there started the problem of faking it. They realised that there was much to be done to launch the first man and all those investements were mostly wasted on failures rather than positive results. It was going to be a failure of catastropic proportions. Hence the faking. That is what the documentaries and available information suggests. Most of us were not born then.

US has achieved many things, many for personal reasons and many for the benefit of mankind. I wouldn't like to take anything from them. But, this is what I feel strongly: 'The first moon landing was faked' just to be the 'FIRST' & beat the USSR to it.

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Now US went to the moon or not, by debating it what is to be acheived? If we prove it as a Scam then what, if we are able to prove it it indeed was true. Then what?
Funny this should come from you! With that diktat,
So what if Mahindra launched a Xylo, someone else will get something better. What is the fuss. Why discuss this.
So what if someone did a bad modification
So what if someone..

Later on why T-BHP at all ?
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Well I do not really care what happened 40 years back. Neither the incident affects me directly or indirectly nor is it likely to do so in future.
What does affect me and you and our future generations is the climate change, melting of glaciers, depleting ground water, over population, pollution etc. I would rather have a discussion on these. Rather than discussing/gossiping/debating what some people in the US of A did 40 years ago.
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Old 21st July 2009, 14:23   #12
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Did anyone ever think why we never reached moon or colonised even after we set foot on moon [ highly debateable ]

Some conspiracies doing rounds include that "WE" have been warned by "THEM " to keep off moon.

THEM : Aliens

If you do a bit of dilly dallying on the same, you can get more information

But as rightly pointed out here, I am not worried about the past, but about the future of my world, this beautiful place we live in. We need to take care about our families, friends and all

Sorry about th ranting, but couldnt help it
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Neither the incident affects me directly or indirectly nor is it likely to do so in future.
It does affect all of us.
A lot of the gadgets available today are thanks to the breakthroughs made in science while sending man to space.
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It does affect all of us.
A lot of the gadgets available today are thanks to the breakthroughs made in science while sending man to space.
Could you be more specific ?

How exactly are we affected whether some Americans really landed or moon or not? Or how is it likely to affect us in future?
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There are simply to many.
Please go thru an excellent article here -> Secretariat of AP-MCSTA

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Everyday Benefits From The Space Program:

1. The most accurate topographical map of the Earth. This data is used to develop safer navigation techniques and better communication systems.

2. Ultraviolet protection suits for people with rare intolerance to UV light, known xeroderma pigmentosum.

3. Heart pump based on technology of space shuttle's fuel pumps. It's two inches long, one inch in diameter, and weighs less than four ounces.

4. Efficient autos and planes benefiting from NASA wind tunnel and aerodynamic expertise.

5. New metal alloys based on research for the space station program.

6. Thermal protection blankets used in everything from fire fighters suits to survival gear for cold environments.

7. Robots and robotic software with wide-ranging uses that include auto-assembly plants, hazardous material handling, monitoring in dangerous environments, distribution and packaging facilities, etc.

8. Lightweight composite materials that benefit cars, airplanes, camping gear, etc.

9. Perfect protein crystals grown in zero gravity; used for more pure pharmaceutical drugs, foods and an assortment of other crystalline-based products including insulin for diabetes patients.

10. Better understanding of the Earth and its environmental response to natural and human-induced variations such as air quality, climate, land use, food production as well as monitoring quality of our oceans and fresh water.

11. Commercial space communication systems for personal phones, computers, video transmissions, global positioning satellite systems, etc.

12. Improvements in energy use efficiency.

13. More responsible use of air and water in private and commercial buildings.

14. Automated maintenance functions for buildings and new lower-cost building construction techniques.

15. Smoke detectors for homes and commercial buildings.

16. Air purification systems used to by hospitals to provide pure oxygen for patients.

17. High-bandwidth and optical communications systems.

18. Technology for cordless tools such as drills, shrub trimmers and rechargeable flashlights.

19. Growth of zeolite crystals that have the potential to reduce the cost of petroleum and to store new types of fuels like hydrogen, which is abundant and pollution-free. This technology could be used in hydrogen-powered cars.

20. Fire-fighting systems that battle blazes with a fine mist, rather than environmentally harmful chemicals.

21. Sunglasses that block certain types of light - blue, violet, and ultraviolet - that could hurt the eyes. These sunglasses block the hazardous light, while allowing light that is good for vision to pass through the lens.

22. Solar power collection.

23. Air filtration systems that can kill all types of harmful bacteria - even anthrax -- and remove allergens from the air with better than 90 percent efficiency.

24. Ultralight solar concentrators that gather power from the Sun and efficiently convert it into electrical power. Applications for this technology on Earth are limitless.

25. Water purification methods using ions (an atom or group of atoms carrying a positive or negative electrical charge). Used in water filtering systems to remove lead, chlorine, bad taste and odor. Newer purification systems also remove contaminants such as perchlorate and nitrate.

26. "Power Pads" to cushion a horse's hooves, protecting against injuries and helping ease discomfort associated with brittle hooves or arthritis.

27. Disposable diapers.

28. Devices for collection and real-time analysis of blood, and other bodily fluids, without the need for centrifugation. Huge potential for hospitals and for remote units to monitor individuals with health problems.

29. Lighter artificial limbs that are virtually indestructible; based on foam insulation used to protect the Shuttle's external fuel tank.

30. Computer-aided tomography (CATScan) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) for imaging the body and its organs.

31. Light-emitting diodes used in photodynamic therapy. These diodes are used in a form of chemotherapy that kills cancerous tumors.

32. Infrared sensors used in hand-held optical sensor thermometers. These devices can measure temperature in the ear canal in two seconds or less.

33. Devices used to diagnose and treat patients suffering head injury, stroke, chronic dizziness and disorders of the central nervous system.

34. Compact laboratory instruments for hospitals and doctor offices that analyze blood in 30 seconds what once took 20 minutes.

35. Land mine removal using flare device and leftover fuel donated from NASA.

36. Technology which allows vehicles to transmit a signal back to a home base. Used to track and reassign emergency and public works vehicles; also track vehicle operations such as taxis, armored cars and vehicles carrying hazardous cargo. Now used to recover stolen vehicles.

37. Cutters using small explosive charges used by emergency rescue personnel to quickly extract accident victims.

38. Image-processing technology used remove defects due to image jitter, image rotation and image zoom in video sequences. Used by law enforcement agencies to improve crime-solving videos; doctors in medical imaging; scientific applications and even home video cameras.

39. Gas leak-detection system used by Ford in natural gas-powered car.

40. Method of labeling products with invisible and virtually indestructible markings - used on electronic parts, pharmaceuticals and livestock -- in fact it could be used on just about anything.

41. Fire resistant foam used as thermal and acoustical insulation in aerospace, marine and industrial products. Also used as for fire barriers, packaging and other applications requiring either high-temperature or very low-temperature insulation. Used by Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, and Airbus for for major weight savings in aircraft.

42. Hand-held camera which firefighters use to pinpoint the hotspots of wildfires.

43. Safer soldering base for jewelers using torches in jewelry assembly. Based on heat-shield tiles of shuttle instead of hazardous asbestos bases previously used.

44. Quick-connect fasteners used by firefighters and nuclear power-plant repair technicians.

45. Game-controlling joystick for computers and entertainment systems.

46. Spray lube used for rust prevention; loosening corroded nuts; cleaning and lubricating guns and fishing reels; and lubricating and reducing engine friction.

47. World-wide television broadcasts.

48. Home insulation system which provides significant savings in home heating and cooling costs - uses technology of aluminum heat shield developed for Apollo spacecraft.

49. Laser technology used in artery catheters to spot areas of blockage and fire short bursts of laser beams to vaporize them - a "cool" laser providing thousands of patients with an alternative to heart bypass surgery.

50. New charged coupled devices (CCDs) used in breast examinations (mammographies) which images breast tissue more clearly than conventional x-rays. Doctors then use a specially designed needle to extract a tiny sample (instead of a scalpel) saving time, money and pain.

51. "Smart" forceps made of composite material, with embedded fiber optics. These obstetrical forceps allow doctors to measure the amount of pressure being applied to an infant's head during delivery.

52. Small pill-shaped transmitters Used to monitor intestinal activity; blood pressure and temperature of infants still inside the womb; body functions of athletes and high-stress professionals such as firefighters and soldiers.

53. Technology to quickly arrange and analyze human chromosomes and detect genetic abnormalities that could lead to disease in infants.

54. Image processing software used in dermatology analysis to "decode" the shadow patterns and provided accurate heights and depths.

55. Roofs based on moonsuits that look stiff, but are flexible and expand in heat and contract in cold. Used as covering of malls, stadiums and new airports like Denver International.

56. Padding in helmets, shin guards, chest protectors and aircraft seating.

57. Golf balls with greater accuracy and distance.

58. Lightning protection systems for aircraft.

59. Windshear detection and warning system for aircraft.

60. Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System (TACS) now used by virtually all passenger aircraft.

61. Monitoring system which scans important documents at certain times and compares the differences between the images. The system detects changes in contrast, shape and other features. Used by museums and the National Archives to monitor historic documents and plan a way to stop any damage.

62. Landsat imagery to discover unknown archeology sites; reveal ancient coastlines; manage the harvesting of fish in the world’s oceans; calculate how well crops are doing, etc

63. Robotic mother pigs which keep piglet formula (milk) cool until it is needed then heats and delivers the right amount at feeding time.

64. Improved spray nozzles for crop dusters.

65. New breathing system for firefighters made up of a face mask, frame and harness, warning device, and air bottle. Weighs one-third less than old gear.

66. Virtual reality simulators for medical operations, flight training, truck driving, etc.

67. Hydroponics used by vegetable farmers to grow crops without soil.

68. Fluorometer instrument used to monitor plankton in the world's oceans. Instrument measures amount of glow given off by plankton and other marine life that consume sunlight in their photosynthesis process. Much of the world’s oxygen comes from plankton.

69. Oil spill cleanup using beeswax microcapsules. The beeswax balls absorb oil and keep water out. Absorbed oil is digested by microorganism enzymes inside the ball. When the balls get full of digested oil, they explode and release environmentally safe enzymes, carbon dioxide and water.

70. Software to match and track whales.

71. DirectTV.

72. Satellite radio.

73. Fire-Resistant Aircraft Seats.

74. "Cool suit" which helps to improve the quality of life of multiple sclerosis patients.

75. Pacemaker that can be programmed from outside the body.

76. Instruments to measure bone loss and bone density, without penetrating the skin.

77. Implant for delivering insulin to diabetics that provides more precise control of blood sugar levels and frees diabetics from the burden of daily insulin injections.

78. Device for growing ovarian tumors so that tumors can be studied outside the body, without harm to the patient. (Part 1)
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