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Old 17th July 2013, 16:34   #766
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As for putting on weight after reducing, why on earth would you want to do that? If you must, you could try doing more weight training. That will build up your muscle and since muscle weighs more than fat, you should see your weight go up and feel awesome at the same time!
Well, you have tempted me to reply! Yes weight training is the way forward - but as of now my below normal weight is a problem only to the elders. But let me tell you increasing weight without compromising on health is the most difficult thing to do!!
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And losing 40 kilos is very doable but 'only' losing 40 kilos of fat is a different matter. But it is possble.
I don't see how one can lose 40 kilos of fat starting with a bodyweight of 100-110 kilos. The math doesn't add up. Muscle loss as well is inevitable in that case.
How do you propose to establish to yourself that it is all fat that you will have lost? Something to learn for a lot of people if you do achieve that scale of just fat loss. I for one would certainly like to know.
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I don't see how one can lose 40 kilos of fat starting with a bodyweight of 100-110 kilos. The math doesn't add up. Muscle loss as well is inevitable in that case.
How do you propose to establish to yourself that it is all fat that you will have lost? Something to learn for a lot of people if you do achieve that scale of just fat loss. I for one would certainly like to know.
There is a tool that is used at the gym that my gym's owner (and head trainer) also manages. It provides a detailed body analysis where you can see your body's fat %, muscle weight, water content %, etc. and many other facts. He showed me a pre and post analysis of one of the members who has been working out in our gym (this analysis was done at the other gym which has the tool). Over a period of about 12 weeks, this gent has lost 8kgs of just fat, showed increase in muslce by about 2kgs, his water content has increase by some 2% etc..

So yeah, I may have gone over board stating losing 40kgs of fat, as that by itself may be very tough to achieve (but can't deny its doable or not doable) but I wanted to point out that losing weight is doable but losing just fat is a different task and will require detailed monitoring, analysis to keep on that track.

My point is that it is possible to lost upto 40kgs of fat while training to build and maintain muscle. My gym's owner/head trainer has also invited me over to his other gym he manages, to undergo this analysis for myself, so I might do it sometime (likely 3rd august).. I'll be more than happy to share the headers available in the analysis and report here, metrics that I might deem fit to.

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But I've totally cut out the wheat, apart from all processed food. Wee bit of rice and loads of natural food - that's my diet. I work out just 15 mins a day for 3/4 days a week - I've a near flat tummy now and boundless energy the whole day. After drastically reducing weight, am now trying to increase it now but finding that a slow process!!
Absolutely it works. My changed food habit, workout pattern and the results much similar to yours
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Well, you have tempted me to reply! Yes weight training is the way forward - but as of now my below normal weight is a problem only to the elders. But let me tell you increasing weight without compromising on health is the most difficult thing to do!!

If I am understanding it right you want to increase the muscle mass till now your focus was on reducing weight and you have lost below normal. I would suggest that before you try to gain mass first assess if you are really below normal that is your BMI is below 18 or not if BMI is between 18 to 24 then it is perfectly normal weight.

For increasing muscle mass there is no substitute of resistance training either using weights or using body weight itself ( push ups , chin ups , sit ups etc)
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Someone may advice you to eat a lot of fat and protein and near zero carbs for weight loss this is called Ketonic diet but I have my own reservations.
Scroll back few pages a member cited many papers in support of Ketonic diet I went through them but the conclusion of many of these papers were ironically not good and one paper actually showed hight mortality.
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Wow! That was not the answer I was hoping for. Ghee is total fat right? Roti is made from wheat which is not that bad? Not sure if my understanding is correct
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White polished rice has glycemic index (GI) of approximately 70 and refined wheat floor ( maida) is very similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index

Whole wheat rotis ( Chappatis as people in south prefer to call them ) contain full bran of wheat and glycemic index is nearly 40 to 48. Please note that "atta" used to make rotis have full grain so much more bran then the so called whole wheat bread where a portion of bran is removed.
Whole wheat bread has GI of 56.

Apart from this wheat bran has 15 to 18% protein and it is full of fiber which is good for the guts whereas white polished rice is devoid of any such benefit.

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Yes, I was the member who supported ketogenic diet. I have been following for one and half years now. If you have any specific questions you can fire away here. I will try to clarify the doubts. I have talked to people who have been on this diet for 10 years. I can present their blood work, lipid profiles, fat Percentages, kidney tests if you want.

If you are still not convinced, there are many other diets that come under the umbrella of low carb. South beach diet, paleo, Atkins, Dukan, Stillman.

Also the drug I talked about was Aspirin.
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Guys,

One more stupid question from my side - What are your views on fruit juices? Usually at 4pm everybody in the office goes to the cafeteria to have some food (usually fried food/South Indian etc). Instead of eating these things, I am thinking of having fruits/juices. How about banana/orange/watermelon? Any idea about the most appropriate strategy regarding fruits keeping in mind that weight loss is the main aim?
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Yes, I was the member who supported ketogenic diet. I have been following for one and half years now. If you have any specific questions you can fire away here. I will try to clarify the doubts. I have talked to people who have been on this diet for 10 years. I can present their blood work, lipid profiles, fat Percentages, kidney tests if you want.
Hi,

I started a low-carb-high-fat diet sometime in May this year, after loosing more than 30 Kgs (from 100Kgs to 70Kgs) over a period of one year following a conventional calorie restricted diet + exercise. Since I started my weight loss journey I have been hooked on to endurance sports: running, cycling and swimming. Although supporters of low carb diets say that performance in endurance sports increases following a ketogenic diet, there are naysayers as welll, such as this guy: http://anthonycolpo.com/why-low-carb...hletes-part-2/

Do you have any firsthand experience?

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What are your views on fruit juices?
You can have fruit juices at that time if it is freshly made and if there is no added sugar etc.

However, if there is an option of eating those fruits like an assorted plate of fruits, that is a better deal because it will also give more fiber and will help in digestion plus make you feel full longer compared to juices made from same quantity of fruits.

Avoid mango if you are aiming for weight loss; try eating water-melon, papaya, banana, orange etc.

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Guys,

One more stupid question from my side - What are your views on fruit juices? Usually at 4pm everybody in the office goes to the cafeteria to have some food (usually fried food/South Indian etc). Instead of eating these things, I am thinking of having fruits/juices. How about banana/orange/watermelon? Any idea about the most appropriate strategy regarding fruits keeping in mind that weight loss is the main aim?
Its no doubt a good decision. But ensure you have it sugarless .

Seasonal local fruits are recommended over imported ones as per naturalists.

Also keep switching like Banana to Musambi to Pomogranate to...so that you get various nutrients.

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You can have fruit juices at that time if it is freshly made and if there is no added sugar etc.

Avoid mango if you are aiming for weight loss; try eating water-melon, papaya, banana, orange etc.
Got it! All these fruits are available in my office cafeteria so that is not a problem

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Its no doubt a good decision. But ensure you have it sugarless .
Yes sir, I will always make it a point not to add sugar to the fruit juice. I am trying to best to reduce my sugar intake.
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Hi,

I started a low-carb-high-fat diet sometime in May this year, after loosing more than 30 Kgs (from 100Kgs to 70Kgs) over a period of one year following a conventional calorie restricted diet + exercise. Since I started my weight loss journey I have been hooked on to endurance sports: running, cycling and swimming. Although supporters of low carb diets say that performance in endurance sports increases following a ketogenic diet, there are naysayers as welll, such as this guy: http://anthonycolpo.com/why-low-carb...hletes-part-2/

Do you have any firsthand experience?
No first hands experience.
But professional athletes who do low carb swear by cyclic ketogenic diet.

You have already lost weight and improved your life style. You can think of moving to low GI diet, paleo that are less restrictive.
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Hi,

I started a low-carb-high-fat diet sometime in May this year, after loosing more than 30 Kgs (from 100Kgs to 70Kgs) over a period of one year following a conventional calorie restricted diet + exercise. Since I started my weight loss journey I have been hooked on to endurance sports: running, cycling and swimming. Although supporters of low carb diets say that performance in endurance sports increases following a ketogenic diet, there are naysayers as welll, such as this guy: http://anthonycolpo.com/why-low-carb...hletes-part-2/

Do you have any firsthand experience?
Ajay,

As we say elsewhere - this thread needs pics. Please post before and after pics for inspiration for all of us
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No first hands experience.
But professional athletes who do low carb swear by cyclic ketogenic diet.

You have already lost weight and improved your life style. You can think of moving to low GI diet, paleo that are less restrictive.
Thanks! I will try low-carb-high-fat for a few months to see how it affects my performance.

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Thanks! I will try low-carb-high-fat for a few months to see how it affects my performance.



Here you go
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