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Old 23rd July 2013, 08:48   #466
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I have run into quite a few colleagues over years who boast about their IIT pedigree within the first minute. Only when I dig deeper they reluctantly admit their BE/B.Tech was from somewhere else.
What is wrong in doing masters in IIT after a basic degree in some other college?
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What is wrong in doing masters in IIT after a basic degree in some other college?
Nothing wrong. But people do it mostly for pedigree. IITians are highly regarded because of B.Tech graduates, the ones who fought their way in through ultra competitive JEE. But when somebody does just M.Tech or PhD in IIT, they too get to claim they are IITians. But the industry knows the difference, that they are not cut from the same cloth. Therefore, whenever somebody starts boasting about their IIT heritage, we always check which degree. Thanks to linkedin, now we can check it quietly.
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What is wrong in doing masters in IIT after a basic degree in some other college?
Nothing wrong, just that JEE is tougher than GATE. Thats why B. Tech is valued more.
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There are many who may have wanted to pursue CS/EE, but just because they got a JEE rank which does not get them the dept they need, they move on to other decently good colleges (eg REC or the like). For every pedigree seeker there is also good proportion, who have had a very good non IIT Btech (CS or non CS). Such people also end up in IITs for masters and for a genuine reason.

With regards to CS, as I mentioned earlier, the line between Computer Science and IT has been blurred beyond edge recovery. Hence the problem magnifies.

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Keep in mind quite a few seats for MTech and PhD programmes in IITs are reserved for UGC Quality Improvement Programme (QIP) faculty candidates. Earlier to my understanding, GATE was not a requirement for these candidates, dont know whether the rules has changed now.

See this link from Indian Express.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ai...e-phds/764146/
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Woof, woof... What is BTP? I think SG is referring to M.Tech kennel.
BTP = B.Tech project. Typically done in the final year and contributes to a lot of credits.
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@TKMCE; afaik all sponsored candidates are covered. However, no stipends for them.
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not all may be able to afford a computer, and even if they could they may not have had access to multiple computers (at the same location) to try rigging them up together.
Today was the final demo, and 6 girls showed up with 3 latest model laptops required for the demo. Yes, they had figured out how to rig up the network using the wifi hotspot from a HTC phone. I guess that will put them ahead of most of their classmates. They will be graduating in 2015.

They successfully established communication between two IP phones, directly at first and then through an IP PBX. One laptop had the IP PBX, the other two laptops had the soft IP phones. Then they had Wireshark running on all laptops to analyse the SIP messages that were flowing around. There was no programming involved, what else can be done in a 10 day internship.

Among them only one had the making of an engineer. I suspect she did all the work of researching, learning and configuring the setup. Rest were only going through the motion, and looked eager to forget all this once their certificate is given. They seemed to be tolerating technology instead of getting exciting by it.

Anyway, I gave them some idea about the industry. I told them 80% IT jobs are clerical and just 20% requires a keen engineering mind. That ratio becomes 90:10 in services companies. They looked worried at the term clerical, so I clarified that they will be still known as engineers and will make similar salary if not higher. I am only worried about one potential engineer among them, I sincerely hope she will make to the 20% and not wasted among the 80%.
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Nothing wrong. But people do it mostly for pedigree. IITians are highly regarded because of B.Tech graduates, the ones who fought their way in through ultra competitive JEE. But when somebody does just M.Tech or PhD in IIT, they too get to claim they are IITians. But the industry knows the difference, that they are not cut from the same cloth. Therefore, whenever somebody starts boasting about their IIT heritage, we always check which degree. Thanks to linkedin, now we can check it quietly.
It sounds like you as an employer prefer the pedigree as well, which makes it a self fulfilling prophecy.
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It sounds like you as an employer prefer the pedigree as well, which makes it a self fulfilling prophecy.
What? What made you think so? I only hire from local colleges (4th-tier?). I am totally pedigree agnostic.
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What? What made you think so? I only hire from local colleges (4th-tier?). I am totally pedigree agnostic.
Because you said you use linkedin to separate PG from UG IITians.
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Because you said you use linkedin to separate PG from UG IITians.
Wasn't referring to candidates, you seriously think small companies can hire IITians or even NITians? My reference was about people I meet in other circumstances.
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In IITs the joke is that UG's are better than MTech students, who are better than PhD students. There are a few notable exceptions of course.

When I was doing my MSc in Physics (2 yer, 5 year came later), there were many one semester courses at the PhD level combining the two MSc level courses. These had an advanced prefix! When a newly appointed faculty member inquired as the whether the PhD level course was more advanced, he was told 'no it is lower level'.

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In IITs the joke is that UG's are better than MTech students, who are better than PhD students. There are a few notable exceptions of course.
Thanks for the official confirmation. I first suspected it in 1995 when I ran into PhDs and M.Techs from IIT in a major project. Then I had few more encounters in the following years. Finally, a few years back, a friend joined IIT-KGP as professor. He echoed the exact same sentiments as you within months of joining, that confirmed it for me.
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@Samurai; Why do they join MTech - they do not find a job, same for PhD they still do not find a job? So the rest follows. Of course there are a few who want to genuinely do a PhD.

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