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God exists. 130 45.94%
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Maybe there is something not definable by man. 93 32.86%
There is nothing such as GOD. 37 13.07%
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Old 17th June 2008, 13:37   #91
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What I have realised with my own experiences (though I am very young to say the word exp. but wll share them with you latter and you will come to know) and that told and happened to my other family members specially my parents.

I came to the conclusion that god does exist but sitting and praying in the temple and thinking you will have
1. money(for a business man)
2. marks (for a student)
or anyother thing will not help you have to workout things yourself and god will guide you on the way.
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Hey how do you think India is surviving with all this corruption and pathetic politicians .
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@PatienceWins:

My pleasure in meeting you here.

All praise to Allah, the merciful, the benevolent.
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Hey how do you think India is surviving with all this corruption and pathetic politicians .
Good Question!
The answer is an extension to what @patiencewins quoted.
When people go start doing/taking pleasure in doing wrong things, as against what God commanded then God will unleash tyrant and treacherous rulers on you.
Well i've tried to expain it in my words.

Ironically this is one of the 16 signs of Qiyamat/last day.
1) Power will lay in the hands of wrong doers and ignorant fools.
"Hokoomat do takko ke aadmiyon ke paas hongi"
You can see that in the majority of the polititians who rule our states.
Most of them are uneducated and power/money hungry.
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Very well described. I belong to this bucket.

However, imagine how things will change once two things happen:

1. We are able to create life form artificially
2. We are able to take backups of mind [thoughts/skills/memories]

And these are no longer science fiction things. For #1 artificial cell has been created, for #2 experiments on rats have begun and maybe this will happen in next few decades.

From my point of view, definition of science and spirituality might merge at that point. Since then with knowledge we will be able to "create" things.
@Netfreak, point 1 is already done. (Dolly the cloned sheep)
That reminds me of an incident when prophet Abraham went to
the then king who proclaimed he was god.
King: 'So what does your God do?'
Abraham : He gives life and ends it.
King: ohh really
He called 2 prisoners. One of them was nearing
completion of his sentence in prison and the
other was going to be hanged.
The king ordered the one to be hanged to
go scott free and ordered the one to be
released to be hanged.
King: There even I can do that.
Abrahim : Well, my God makes the sun rise from
one direction and makes it set in the other. If
you can do the opposite then you have a point.
I would have really liked to see the kings face back then.
So the point is even if man creates something like shown
in 'The Matrix' would he be able to achieve that, what
Abraham asked?
Even if we use the Archimedes theory of using a large lever
and change the rotation of the earth and prove that
there is no God, it will be difficult to sustain all of
life's forms.
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@PatienceWins:

My pleasure in meeting you here.

All praise to Allah, the merciful, the benevolent.
I am glad to meet you. All praise to Allah, the merciful, the benevolent. May Allah take care of all of us.
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@Netfreak, point 1 is already done. (Dolly the cloned sheep)
Cloning is not "Creation". It is modification in a natural process. It does not require someone to create DNA, mitochondrion and other parts.

What I am talking about is:

Take "raw" materials like carbon/oxygen etc and create life out of that. We have only been partially successful in that. (For example, Christine D. Keating's team at penn state Univ).

But thats nowhere close to creating a complete cell.
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I just remembered Kanye West's lyrics from his song Good Life from his "Graduation" Album in 2007.

It says: I'm good like God with an extra "o".

Anyways I believe in spiritualism not religion. And I guess there is spiritualism in every religion. So I guess I do believe in God.
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Have always struggled to articulate why I think there is nothing like God. It would be a shame though to believe that life is pre-ordained. Anyway, I find this particular quote by Douglas Adams (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy fame) to be very apt:
Q: Mr. Adams, you have been described as a “radical Atheist.” Is this accurate?

Adams: Yes. I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “Atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘Agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean Atheist. I really do not believe that there is a god - in fact I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one. It’s easier to say that I am a radical Atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously. It’s funny how many people are genuinely surprised to hear a view expressed so strongly. In England we seem to have drifted from vague wishy-washy Anglicanism to vague wishy-washy Agnosticism - both of which I think betoken a desire not to have to think about things too much.

People will then often say “But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?” This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would chose not to worship him anyway.)

Other people will ask how I can possibly claim to know? Isn’t belief-that-there-is-not-a-god as irrational, arrogant, etc., as belief-that-there-is-a-god? To which I say no for several reasons. First of all I do not believe-that-there-is-not-a-god. I don’t see what belief has got to do with it. I believe or don’t believe my four-year old daughter when she tells me that she didn’t make that mess on the floor. I believe in justice and fair play (though I don’t know exactly how we achieve them, other than by continually trying against all possible odds of success). I also believe that England should enter the European Monetary Union. I am not remotely enough of an economist to argue the issue vigorously with someone who is, but what little I do know, reinforced with a hefty dollop of gut feeling, strongly suggests to me that it’s the right course. I could very easily turn out to be wrong, and I know that. These seem to me to be legitimate uses for the word believe. As a carapace for the protection of irrational notions from legitimate questions, however, I think that the word has a lot of mischief to answer for. So, I do not believe-that-there-is-no-god. I am, however, convinced that there is no god, which is a totally different stance and takes me on to my second reason.

I don’t accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worthy of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me “Well, you haven’t been there, have you? You haven’t seen it for yourself, so my view that it is made of Norwegian Beaver Cheese is equally valid” - then I can’t even be bothered to argue. There is such a thing as the burden of proof, and in the case of god, as in the case of the composition of the moon, this has shifted radically. God used to be the best explanation we’d got, and we’ve now got vastly better ones. God is no longer an explanation of anything, but has instead become something that would itself need an insurmountable amount of explaining. So I don’t think that being convinced that there is no god is as irrational or arrogant a point of view as belief that there is. I don’t think the matter calls for even-handedness at all.

{emphasis mine}

Anyway, suffice to say that in absence of incontrovertible proof of the existence of God, there is every reason to believe that we created God, rather than the other way round.

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Here is George Carlin's view on Religion & God:
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I believe in the existense of God, but the belief is something like the belief that one will pass his exams. I really really think that it is true, but I'm not sure
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Well Sounds Interesting even I do believe in the existence of God but to define it is not that simple. As human tends to remember God in harsh moments, hardly we thank God when we are drowned in pleasures of life. Well I used to hear about some strange happenings which I seldom relied on but recently something has brought changes in me to my view and even the perception towards life has taken a turn. I now have one thing to know about WHERE DOES ONE GO AFTER EXTINCTION...?
As this has always related to godly being but the quest is still there and there have numerous research work in this regard but to no vail.....We are moving at a fast pase and hardly realise this FACT which cannot be overlooked ........Thats often in our hardest tenure we then recline on God but certain things in life are said to happen on a definate time ...Infact TIME and GOD are both related. Still some questions keep ringing .......
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A king asked his minister who was more powerful.
Him or God.

The minister replied the King was more powerfull.
For if he so wished he can throw anyone out of his kingdom.
BUt what can God do.


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@Netfreak, point 1 is already done. (Dolly the cloned sheep)
That reminds me of an incident when prophet Abraham went to
the then king who proclaimed he was god.
King: 'So what does your God do?'
Abraham : He gives life and ends it.
King: ohh really
He called 2 prisoners. One of them was nearing
completion of his sentence in prison and the
other was going to be hanged.
The king ordered the one to be hanged to
go scott free and ordered the one to be
released to be hanged.
King: There even I can do that.
Abrahim : Well, my God makes the sun rise from
one direction and makes it set in the other. If
you can do the opposite then you have a point.
I would have really liked to see the kings face back then.
So the point is even if man creates something like shown
in 'The Matrix' would he be able to achieve that, what
Abraham asked?
Even if we use the Archimedes theory of using a large lever
and change the rotation of the earth and prove that
there is no God, it will be difficult to sustain all of
life's forms.
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My take on God is this: Its just a superficial impression created by humans that has been passed on generation to generation through the years in various forms, depictions & definitions. I am more a believer in Karma.

"As you sow, so shall you reap."

A person may pray several times, perform religious ceremonies, confess his misdeeds & still continue sinning, but in the end his deeds count more than his penance. Life comes a full circle by your karma.

One very important thing is that its just my personal thinking guys and i believe to each his own, i don't impose my thoughts on others, anybody. Peace.
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Default My take? I am God..!!!

Here's my take on God.

I am God and I am just God…

I am the lone sperm and I am the egg..
I am the fetus and I am the new-born

I see, I hear, I touch and I feel,
I cry and I laugh, I sleep and I awake,
I eat and I drink, I suck and I spit,
Coz I am God and I am an infant.

I watch, I remember, I like and I dislike,
I smile, I am angry, I throw and I kick,
I speak, I shout, I want and I need
Coz I am God and I am a child.

I analyze, I observe, I study and I evaluate,
I recall, I infer, I conclude and I act,
I love, I hate, I admire, I averse,
Coz I am God and I am an adult.

I care, I love, I protect and I sacrifice,
I plan, I execute, I save, I enjoy,
I get, I possess, I adore and I loose,
Coz I am God and I am a parent.

I am tired, I am old, I am useless and I am there
I am there, at the great Entrance,
Where I belong, where I come from,
Where all come from, where all go,
I am no infant, I am no child,
I am no adult and I am no parent,

Coz I am God and I am just GOD.

- RajaTaurus
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