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Old 4th January 2013, 10:39   #7396
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-100 . Unmukt needs to be groomed more before he is exposed to National Side. I think he should be regular to India A tours to SA, Australia etc. Kohli was called the next Sachin and now Unmukht is already called the next Kohli
What grooming are you talking about happening in Indian team.We have had enough of grooming with likes of Rohit.By playing Unmuk you are not expecting him to win matches by himself alone.Let him be part our team and start building confidence to play at this level.Any day he is much better than rohit,jadeja,raina and also Dhoni in terms of technique ,skill and attitude which should be the first priority if one needs to build a world class team

Who is saying Kohli the next sachin. So far I haven't even seen half of sachin in him. Kohli is just a bit off form and unlucky. There is no need for anybody to worry about him.He is a class player and he will bounce back and be consistent again.

We need to stop camparing youngsters with the greats at least in their early stages.
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We need to stop camparing youngsters with the greats at least in their early stages.
yeah, like that pencil ad on telly, we need to stop finding the next Kapil/ Sachin/ Sunny and just find the first Unmukt/ whoever.

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Who is saying Kohli the next sachin. So far I haven't even seen half of sachin in him. Kohli is just a bit off form and unlucky. There is no need for anybody to worry about him.He is a class player and he will bounce back and be consistent again.
In the words of the popular Rameez Raja, is he a class 'ekt'?
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No coach in the world can stop the slide given the way we are batting. Except Kohli, the rest of our batters are useless.
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On a serious note, he will be sacked sooner rather than later i hope.
Im not trying to put the blame on anyone. Its a aport, and one wins and loses, that is what sports is all about.

What amazes me is the way in which the coach's role some how is totally hidden under the carpet. The "I Know Everything" commentators, The "Mr.Perfects" critics , or the " never seen a bat" journos, never seem to take this name fletcher ( that's his name right ? ) .

They had a Sachin to blame on , all the while. Now the entire onus is on Dhoni .

Doesnt the selectors and the coach have a role to play ?

Our selectors are in the panel because of the zone they come from. And their job is to find the best talent impartially ! ! Thats a joke.
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-100 . Unmukt needs to be groomed more before he is exposed to National Side. I think he should be regular to India A tours to SA, Australia etc. Kohli was called the next Sachin and now Unmukht is already called the next Kohli
The players who are getting exposure in our national side are substandard or past their expiry date. If we have genuinely talented youngsters with solid technique then why not try them rather than continuing with this farce.

By the way, they have announced India A side to take on England. Looks like no place for Unmukt in the team.

India A team:

Abhinav Mukund (capt), Murali Vijay, Robin Bist, Kedar Jadhav, Ashok Menaria, Rohit Motwani (wk), Jalaj Saxena, Akshay Darekar, Ishwar Pandey, Sreesanth, Rishi Dhawan, Paras Dogra, Mohit Sharma, Parvez Rassol

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What amazes me is the way in which the coach's role some how is totally hidden under the carpet. The "I Know Everything" commentators, The "Mr.Perfects" critics , or the " never seen a bat" journos, never seem to take this name fletcher ( that's his name right ? ) .
Yes, the media and critics are surprisingly silent on Fletcher's role in this debacle.
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The players who are getting exposure in our national side are substandard or past their expiry date. If we have genuinely talented youngsters with solid technique then why not try them rather than continuing with this farce.
No doubt some players need to be sacked ASAP. As i mentioned below Unmukt is just 19. Let him play in foreign soil and get better exposure. In the meantime we can play Rahane, Pujara etc.

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What grooming are you talking about happening in Indian team.We have had enough of grooming with likes of Rohit.By playing Unmuk you are not expecting him to win matches by himself alone.Let him be part our team and start building confidence to play at this level.Any day he is much better than rohit,jadeja,raina and also Dhoni in terms of technique ,skill and attitude which should be the first priority if one needs to build a world class team
Unmukt is just 19. Let him get exposure playing in SA, England and Australia . No doubt he will be a part of our team in future . Its better if he gets exposure playing in those conditions for atleast a year under the India A team.
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Let him play in foreign soil and get better exposure. In the meantime we can play Rahane, Pujara etc.
Yes. Rahane and pujara and one or two more of their skill level or better.

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Unmukt is just 19. Let him get exposure playing in SA, England and Australia . No doubt he will be a part of our team in future . Its better if he gets exposure playing in those conditions for atleast a year under the India A team.
As per C300's post Unmukt is not even in the india A team. Hopeless to say the least

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Better keep two different levels of team in both format i.e 50 overs and 5 day test side.Can Pujara fit for one day?Not at all.Same mistakes we did when we brought dravid to one day team,what happened later we all know,slowly he started to go down.Same with 10dulkar,this great player lost his glory way back(none will agree may be)and he was in dilema in last phase of his carrier.Why not to include Chand yaar?10dulkar and Javed were younger than him when they played their first test.Pick boys when they are fresh else pay for it ex.T.Shekhar once a nice bowler got his test cap when he was 31,imagine our selectors who brought his as a seamer at 31 years of age.
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You know, I don't mind India losing. It's part of the game. Even if a team is going through a bad patch. A string of defeats will hurt.

But the manner in which India loses is something unfathomable. There seems to be no fight at all! It's like some formality that they want to get over with.

Look at Bangladesh. The team loses to stronger teams more often than not. but they will never give up. They fight till the very end.

It is seriously embarrassing.
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Very well put.You win you lose.But the way they loose.
29 runs 5 wickets !! Supposed to be the best batting line up in the world.
Add to that on home ground.
Chasing 250 in the 2nd one dayer shouldnt have been beyond their capabilities.The defeat by 85 runs.That is a lot.
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Pujara is desperately needed for ODIs. Not T20s, where you need to start with the accelerator on the floor, but in ODIs where one end needs to held up for the strokeplayers can play on the other end. Seeing all these top order batsmen being dismissed by pace/swing, its really necessary to have someone with the temperament (not technique, temperament will always beat technique - in life and in cricket), Pujara fulfills both temperament and technique, for that sheet anchor role.

Dhoni is there as the second in line defense in the lower order, and he also has the temperament.

With this order, the openers can do the brash swashbukling stuff that they have been doing. Assuming one of them gets out, Pujara comes in to prevent any more wickets falling from that end. Then if the second opener also falls then Kohli comes in (who is generally very good on technique, and temperament and is a little faster scoring player than Pujara). So in that situation also the scoreboard is ticking. No.5 should be a floating position where if either of no.3 or No.4 lose their wicket early, then you have a Dhoni coming in to consolidate, or if the Pujara and Kohli continue, then you have a T20 style hardhitter (Yuvi/Raina) coming in at no.5 to accelerate in the end.

I have no solutions for the bowling, except that Umesh Yadav gets fit soon, and bhubaneswar kumar continues his form. For spinners, we could experiment with the young sardar spinner from India under-19 (I forget his name).

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29 runs 5 wickets !! Supposed to be the best batting line up in the world.
That description was used when Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, VVS and Ganguly were all in their prime. And it probably wasn't far from the truth.

The current line up does not deserve that tag.
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That description was used when Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, VVS and Ganguly were all in their prime. And it probably wasn't far from the truth.

The current line up does not deserve that tag.
Current line up barely deserves the tag of 'batting line up'.

By the way, people see to think Pujara is a Dravid like batsman. He absolutely isn't. Did anyone see his test debut match? He made a quick 70 odd against Australia. Did anyone see what he did in his last Ranji match. He butchered the opposition attack. Pujara is a naturally attacking batsman who can hold up and end if required.

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With this order, the openers can do the brash swashbukling stuff that they have been doing.
At the present moment there are far too many out of form underperformers in the team. First we need to get rid of Sehwag & include Rahane in the team as he seems to be in decent touch. A solid start is key to building a big total.
Kohli needs to sort himself out soon. Dhoni should bat at no.5 come what may in all conditions.More often than not he is wasted as he comes in too low. Raina doesn't seem out of form so he's ok for the last 15 overs.

About bowling, well lets not even get there. It has always been our weakness!
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Lost 2012 T20 cup, lost Australian series, lost England Test series at home, lost pakistan ODI series, list is continuing. England will be really happy and waiting to play India next week in the ODI series.
There was a joke someone said that Bangaldesh, Ireland, UAE and other small countries trying to set up series against India to gain more form.
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Sachin should be blamed for all these problems. How can he be so irresponsible and play only for records? Oh wait, he has retired and he can no longer be blamed for Indian team's poor performance. Need to find another one to put on all the blames. Dhoni probably is the next best candidate for that.
Dhoni scored a half century and a century in the series! Why is everyone so focussed on the team's defeats???
Oh wait. This is not Tendulkar we are talking about here

On a serious note, i had posted this earlier:

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Pakistan's seamers bowled extended spells at the nets on Tuesday, with Umar Gul, Junaid and Mohammad Irfan aiming at one stump. India, on the other hand, missed a session on Tuesday and have an optional one on the eve of the game. They may be short of adequate preparation for a game they cannot afford to lose.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-...ory/599429.htm

What is going on with team India??
And today i read this about the NZ team:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-af...ry/599770.html
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New Zealand are not taking any breaks before for the second Test. They have practices planned for both days of the weekend which would have spent playing Test cricket had the match not ended before tea on Friday.
Those who dont know, NZ are hurting from being bundled out for 45 in their first innings.

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Seeing all these top order batsmen being dismissed by pace/swing, its really necessary to have someone with the temperament (not technique, temperament will always beat technique - in life and in cricket), Pujara fulfills both temperament and technique, for that sheet anchor role.

Dhoni is there as the second in line defense in the lower order, and he also has the temperament.
Temperament is only useful when you have a solid technical foundation.

Mr Dhonut has this habit of promoting himself up the order. He should do that against pace and swing and lets see whether his temperament comes to the rescue. We have far too many players in the current line up with technical flaws and that's our biggest problem IMO.

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