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Old 19th February 2014, 18:42   #7876
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I'm curious why we never seem to come up with any decent fast bowling talent for the medium/long term. The rare cases we do, we destroy it by either throwing them into international cricket too soon, or just don't groom them properly (or dump them entirely) after the initial enthusiasm has died down (Irfan Pathan being a classic case to note).

It can't just be dead tracks (though it's a major factor), because Pakistan & Sri-Lanka have similar tracks and they've produced some great fast bowlers (esp. Pakistan).

Making things worse are our 'one-trick pony' spinners. What exactly are we missing w.r.t. bowling talent? Is there none left in India anymore, or we just aren't looking in the right places, or is it something else entirely?

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If he doesn't prefer Ishant, why does he keep selecting him in the playing eleven, over the likes of Umesh Yadav?
That is a mystery to everyone including Dhoni himself. They drop him & then select him again.
Umesh Yadav & Varun Aaron have been inconsistent & wayward, they make Munaf Patel look like a decent bowler.
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Dhoni is extremely defensive captain. He is good with spinners but not so with pacers. I don't see much hope for Indian cricket team under him, at least in tests. His overseas test record speaks for itself. On a brighter side, he was far more attacking in New Zealand compared to in South Africa. Don't be surprised if India get blanked 5-0 in England or 4-0 in Australia. The test captaincy should have changed two years back. Now there is no choice. India should look for a new test captain post the Australian series.
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It can't just be dead tracks (though it's a major factor), because Pakistan & Sri-Lanka have similar tracks and they've produced some great fast bowlers (esp. Pakistan).

is it something else entirely?
This has to do with Role Models, Ask any kid in Pakistan, he wants to become the next Wasim Akram or Waqar, bowling fast flying the stumps. But in India we have different role models. Every one wants to become a Tendulkar/Dravid/Sourav or a Kohli ( off late). Even our pacers try to model them looking at the Pakistan stars.

If you see, Pakistan has not been able to produce a world class batsman for some time now but in India every other guy at least looks like a match winner. Some one clearly said, during partition of 1947, all the batsman stayed in India and bowlers went to Pakistan
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That is a mystery to everyone including Dhoni himself. They drop him & then select him again.
Umesh Yadav & Varun Aaron have been inconsistent & wayward, they make Munaf Patel look like a decent bowler.
So Munaf Patel is a better bowler than Umesh Yadav?

Yadav maybe rubbish in ODIs, but he's a genuine wicket taker in tests. You cannot play both Zaheer and Ishant in the same eleven, atleast one of them has to be replaced with Yadav.
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This has to do with Role Models, Ask any kid in Pakistan, he wants to become the next Wasim Akram or Waqar, bowling fast flying the stumps. But in India we have different role models. Every one wants to become a Tendulkar/Dravid/Sourav or a Kohli ( off late). Even our pacers try to model them looking at the Pakistan stars.

If you see, Pakistan has not been able to produce a world class batsman for some time now but in India every other guy at least looks like a match winner. Some one clearly said, during partition of 1947, all the batsman stayed in India and bowlers went to Pakistan
Batting sometimes is also kind of a lazy art. We dont like to work hard I guess. But even spin has become rare lately.

My colleague from Pakistan used to bowl at 80-85 mph in league cricket in U.S. They really like fast bowling.
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So Munaf Patel is a better bowler than Umesh Yadav?
That is a very difficult question to answer.
Munaf has accuracy, something which Umesh Yadav doesn't possess.
Umesh Yadav has genuine pace, something which Munaf doesn't have.

If i remember correctly, Munaf did quite well in the last World Cup. His lazy attitude is a sore point though.
Umesh Yadav bowled well in those 8-0 defeats in England & Australia.
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What a cracker of a contest ! Australia collapsed from 126-0 to 216 all out. Except for the openers, none of the other batsmen could get to double digit score. Waiting for the third test !!
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Even Ian Chappel shares the same concerns some of us here have - Time for Dhoni to go
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Hi guys,

As we all know, Cricket is extremely popular in India, having a large fan base. But for playing the game, you need players too. I request all players who play Cricket to vote in the poll.

And also give us some info about your club, infrastructure and the quality of coaching there.

I go for training to Vellore Cricket Academy and I play U-14 Districts for Vellore team. We go on frequent outings to Hyderabad, Bangalore and many other cities to play matches.

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In this thread you can also post pics of your Cricket kits, give tips on how to play, share web links related to Cricket Coaching and net practice. you can post pictures of your academy, faculty, team mates, etc.

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The T20 World Cup for 2014 is going to be held in Bangladesh and this time, minnows like Afghanistan are making it into the league stage. I feel that the subcontinental conditions would certainly suit India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. I feel that Australia have a big chance of winning this t20 World cup. The reason is their t20 squad is well developed and George Bailey is leading their side well. England has sparse chance of winning as I don't find any consistent big hitter in their team. Players like Jos Buttler are good strikers but consistency is lacking. Pakistan too has some good chance of winning because players like Mohammed Hafeez , Misbah and Saeed Ajmal are in top form. New Zealand too has some good chance as Brendon McCullum is coming back to good form. Players like Guptill, Williamson will hold key. India must fine tune their fast bowling attack. The positives are that India are playing in conditions that are well suited to them. Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan will hold key.
Sri Lanka will have to fight it out hard against other teams especially Australia, who have Mitchell Johnson, a man to watch out for in the tournament.



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Afridi's brute strength got Pak over the line in that final over! Before that he used his brains as well to pick the singles!
Virat's tactic of keeping Ashwin for the final over almost turned out to be a masterstroke.
Dinesh Kartik is very quick to do a stumping when the batsman is firmly inside the crease but when it matters most he misses it & that costed us both the games!
The 3 games so far just show how much we depend on Dhoni.
Mishra bowled well, hopefully Dhoni saw him on tv back home sitting on his couch.
Also i think Virat missed a trick in that final over my giving a single to the tailender, he should have brought the fielders up & kept him on strike!

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I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but well played Afridi.
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Whoever thinks BCCI cares whether we win or lose must get their head and stats checked. They simply don't. they understand only one thing- Money.
So logically we are out of Asia cup. Good collective job.
We just can't win batting first cos our bowling can't defend anything. Period.

Keep Pujara and Pandey out and don't try the bench strength cos we are winning so much. Why give opportunities to bench players, what if they perform like Mishra? So, keep playing Kartik who has no clue what he is doing behind the stumps and costed us 2 matches and test match player Rahane who makes sure his partner stays under pressure eventually leading to his dismissal.
Special mention for Kohli who didn't had the basic common sense of bringing field in to deny Afridi the strike cos Afridi can't hit sixes right, no matter if he holds the record for maximum sixes in the world. Good thinking Mr. Kohli, you are rocking as Indian captain
I am so damn upset with this team. Losses are fine, but not learning and losing like retards is unaccepted.
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