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Old 1st October 2010, 23:26   #16
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Speak to some HR consultants - esp our friend Shashank.A (Aggarwal) - he works in this business. He can tell you how it can be interpreted. or speak in detail with other HR people.

clearly your current and future jobs involve being at site - if that is what the future will involve, then go ahead. if you want to move to an office role, then the situation becomes murky my friend.

Overall, it looks good except a bit of double checking.
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Old 22nd November 2010, 22:43   #17
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I really thank all of you again for the timely help the last time.
Prologue:
The previous opportunity seeming a bit of a tiff
I followed the cautious mantra, and I passed.
I am clear of all the mistakes I did at that time, (feeling much wiser now! lol)

Situation:
I am in a different vice this time!

Calling my team for help again! (I only got a day or max two days to decide!)

This time, I have two choices with me
My current position:

>Indian Based (growing) Brand Co.
Location- Mh-State_ Remote Area
Nature of Work - Commissioning/Operation Power Plant (with Technology a bit old..)
CTC/Designation - Decent / Rookie (respectively)
Distance from work- room - 120 km to and fro (3 hours flat- in travel- everyday)
Other perks/benefits- None almost/ 6days week (official) sometimes 7 days week (actual)


1. China Based MNC
Location- Haryana(On-site. may/may not change as per requirement)
Nature of work- Similar to what I am doing now (With a Step Up in technology ~ in other words, technology of today)
CTC/Designation- CTC = 34% increment + Designation (1 level up)
Distance from work- room - typically 15-20km (Transportation taken care of by the Co.)
Other perks/benefits- 5day week! + Food expenses on site (on Co. Acct.)


2. American MNC
Location- Bangalore (will be more or less fixed-station)
Nature of work- Engineering Services (Steam Turbine)
CTC/Designation- CTC=17% increment + Designation (different hierarchy altogether - means- I am at basic/Junior level)
Distance from work- room - as far /as near I choose from the workplace (but, will be within 20 mins considering the rents/rates in Bangalore)
Other perks/benefits- 5day week! + Superb facility 'Research' Centre + Chances of a really long association + has really distinct offering when I am thinking about learning from the core


For some reason ( Even I am not aware), I am trying to keep the Cos. Anonymous.
( Please refer to them as referred in the above post / PM me please, if you want to share some specific details)

I need some insight. My dear Gurus/ HR experts/ friends/fellows/ to_be_colleagues(!?).

Now, I already have weighed the opportunities and I feel both offer me well.
I have all the _balanced_ views from my family & friends here.
but, I am looking for a different/experienced perspective please!

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Ace.

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Old 23rd November 2010, 10:04   #18
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Having experience with Indian & US/UK multinational IT companies, I'll immediately opt for American based companies. Reasons?
1. They're good at learning & adopting new technologies
2. The work usually involves 8 hours everyday with occasional slippages for which compensations are paid.
3. Last but not the least - the work culture is miles ahead better (even if Indians were your colleagues) in American companies.
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Old 23rd November 2010, 11:33   #19
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I would suggest China MNC if:
  • Your priority is to continue to build your core competence
  • There is a lot of scope in the area of your competence which I believe there is with the amount of power we would need in India.
  • You love this job profile
Moving to Engineering Services (American MNC):
  • Very often the work outsourced to India is NOT THE ACTUAL DESIGN of steam turbines (it is true for most of the other fields like automotive etc. as well)
  • It may reduce your work to doing basic modeling and drawing creation (if you work in the CAD area) or modeling/drawing corrections. So understand the scope of your job well.
  • Culture in general will be better but not a lot of value addition either
My instincts tell me to opt for China MNC.

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Old 23rd November 2010, 12:09   #20
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Biju, I've a slightly different opinon...
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You love this job profile
I do not deny the above, but at what cost is my question?

If @driverace doesn't have a family to look after, means a bachelor, then its perfectly fine to focus more on career. But if he does have one, then, the Chinese & Indian company don't let you rest; see the working hours to put everyday & that too on all 6 days.

More than career & money, there're few other things that are important such as balance between work & personal life & work culture.

Hope you've included them when you were suggesting the Chinese MNC.
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Old 23rd November 2010, 12:17   #21
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Since they have put it on Paper, you are reasonably De-risked against subsequent fraud, and would be well-poised to show this as your total earnins in later job changes. So, considering all other factors you have mentioned, do go for it. But, keep in mind, that living costs in Noida are reasonably high...
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Old 23rd November 2010, 12:25   #22
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Biju, I've a slightly different opinon...

I do not deny the above, but at what cost is my question?

If @driverace doesn't have a family to look after, means a bachelor, then its perfectly fine to focus more on career. But if he does have one, then, the Chinese & Indian company don't let you rest; see the working hours to put everyday & that too on all 6 days.

More than career & money, there're few other things that are important such as balance between work & personal life & work culture.

Hope you've included them when you were suggesting the Chinese MNC.
You are correct. I assume he is a bachelor since he mentioned that he is at a Rookie designation with his present employer. This is the time that he can maximize his learnings. Once you have a family, the location and working hours etc. get more priority.

This being a niche field, if he gets into powerplant/process designs etc., there are a lot of opportunities in India and abroad. Also those that are into process/plant designs in these areas get very high salaries. But yes, one will have to spend some time at the actual sites.

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Suggest consider the american.

all round appears a good balance between work, life, learning, facilities,potential for growth, value addition, knowledge, earning, location etc.

all the best


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I really thank all of you again for the timely help the last time.
Prologue:
The previous opportunity seeming a bit of a tiff
I followed the cautious mantra, and I passed.
I am clear of all the mistakes I did at that time, (feeling much wiser now! lol)
2. American MNC
Location- Bangalore (will be more or less fixed-station)
Nature of work- Engineering Services (Steam Turbine)
CTC/Designation- CTC=17% increment + Designation (different hierarchy altogether - means- I am at basic/Junior level)
Distance from work- room - as far /as near I choose from the workplace (but, will be within 20 mins considering the rents/rates in Bangalore)
Other perks/benefits- 5day week! + Superb facility 'Research' Centre + Chances of a really long association + has really distinct offering when I am thinking about learning from the core


Regards,

Ace.

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Old 23rd November 2010, 13:03   #24
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ok!
that is really correct way to put it.

clarifications-
1. the new chinese MNC offers 5 day week too! (even though it is a site job, still!)
2. the design/process gates will close on declining the offer! right?
(can I try for same american co. after 3 years? :P )
@aargee, pjbiju:
thanks a lot for the views.
I do love my profile here, on site.(3 years done)
but equally like the process/design life and it is sure my aim (but, didn't think it would be so quickly possible )
am planning to settle in a years time or 2 yrs max.

@roy_libran the co. offer on pg. 01, have declined already.
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1. the new chinese MNC offers 5 day week too! (even though it is a site job, still!)
Sorry, I missed reading it.

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2. the design/process gates will close on declining the offer! right?
I couldn't get the point here.

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am planning to settle in a years time or 2 yrs max.
If the above was your priority, then you've an answer already from your post

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2. American MNC
Location- Bangalore (will be more or less fixed-station)
Nature of work- Engineering Services (Steam Turbine)
CTC/Designation- CTC=17% increment + Designation (different hierarchy altogether - means- I am at basic/Junior level)
Distance from work- room - as far /as near I choose from the workplace (but, will be within 20 mins considering the rents/rates in Bangalore)
Other perks/benefits- 5day week! + Superb facility 'Research' Centre + Chances of a really long association + has really distinct offering when I am thinking about learning from the core
@Driverace - IMHO, both Chinese & US companies are attractive; choose one of them based on your long term benefits.

PS - I'm really unhappy to suggest working for a non Indian MNC, but that's the sad state of Indian managed companies!!! Anyone in TBhp managing a company on their own can pitch in.
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PS - I'm really unhappy to suggest working for a non Indian MNC, but that's the sad state of Indian managed companies!!! Anyone in TBhp managing a company on their own can pitch in.
+1000
I used to work for a leading Indian software services company and now work at a small American internet company. I feel like I have escaped from hell to heaven
I should thank a senior's advice, "Even the smallest/worst American company would be better than the best Indian company." Controversial it might be, but that is the sad truth.
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@aargee,
well, the american looks like a good/safe option no doubt.
by,"2. the design/process gates will close on
declining the offer! right?"
I meant that,
if I decline the american co. now, they wouldnt want to hire me later, right?
/hence, the gates close..
Well, I have to settle eventually.(in 2 yrs.or so).
and, well, I also thought of going into engineering services/design field after some 5-6 years on field., but I'm getting it at 3.something years!

hence the speculations.
thanks a ton!

@Jaguar
thanks for the perspective.
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Dear All,
Thank you for your sincere views and information.

My decision is to go ahead with the American MNC for long term.
I am in final talks with them now.

Ace.

P.S. Looking ahead to be in Bangaluru too! (one of Team-bhp HQs !)
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oh goodie, I would've voted for the americanos too.

I've heard stuff from a couple of ex-Huawei engineers and the Indian-chinese treatment disparity was way too painful. US/UK companies manage this much better in most cases. Infact, its always the expat desis who are more painful
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i have heard otherwise about Huawei from a close relative. if you are good, there is no problem.
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