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Old 11th February 2011, 13:58   #16
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It is sick to see Godrej furniture these days. I agree with you on this. We pay premium price for the name and all we get is cheap imports which any T,D & H does.
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Old 11th February 2011, 14:58   #17
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This practice is not a new one.
Even reputed brands like Nikon have been doing this.
In the film camera era there was a hugely popular
entry level SLR Nikon FM10.
It was a chinese product just branded as Nikon.
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Even companies like Bajaj Electricals & Usha Shriram import from China & sell it under their own brand name.
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LOL, no it is not cheating, it is valid business paradigm done the world over.

How does is matter if the product was "designed in India/US/wherever, made in China" v/s "finished product made in China and sold in India as Indian brand"? It is only a frivolous sentiment in the modern world with very thin economic boundaries.

* Is there any certainty that an Indian / Indian 'branded' product will be better than a "designed and made in China" product? Probably the latter would be better designed and made because whoever did it takes pride in his product, and profits follow from that
* Almost all Indian product companies, barring perhaps companies like Philips, balk at the thought of investment in development and expect immediate returns. Whether the product will be good, bad or ugly comes only after development
* Do you think there is support infrastructure available in India? I am not talking of roads, water or electricity - what the electronics industry needs to succeed is a thriving industry which produces excellent mouldings, does PCB assembly (SMDs), makes active and passive components etc. What we get is cheap, indisciplined labor, which needs patient investment tolerance. How many support companies do you see doing that in India?
* Beyond controlling labor costs, China does not impose import limitations in the interest of the industry. There is corruption, but that does not impede industry. Try that in India? It is exactly the opposite - uncontrolled costs, import limitations, corruption that impedes industry. So how many companies would even think of making a product end-to-end in India?

We would be living in the past if we do not understand the Hindi tenet: "aam khaane se matlab rakho, guthliyan gin-ne se nahin". Why should perpetually carp about every China-made product is 'cheap' / 'bad quality'. As someone rightly mentioned earlier in this thread, China manufactures products at all quality levels. If WE don't have the sensibility of knowing good quality from bad, it does not matter where it was manufactured.

Like the "kitna deti hai?" habit, isn't the "buy cheap and besht" habit corrupting our minds? So if we bought something at a low cost with "Indian brand" sentiment, the affront comes only if it was made in China?
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How does it matter if the product was designed in china or US as long as the quality standards are met?
Chinese never had a reputation of making quality/reliable products. They are famous for cheap quality cheap to own products.

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@ Jaguar i think what @HammerHead meant was that an Indian customer buying a product under Indian brand name which is manufactured in China should know whether the product is designed and developed by the Indian firm or just bought from some Chinese firm and sold as the Indian company's stuff.
That's exactly what I meant.

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In the new economy, you produce where it's most cost-efficient to and sell where the market is. Some of the comments made about Chinese products on this thread a re laughable (the one whch says Chinese manufacture cheap at the cost of quality and product can never be as good as Indian, American or European ones Ha!). I bet there are branded products you use everyday without even being aware that most of the components were manufactured in China.

Face it: India missed the manufacturing bus. Thanks to Chacha Nehru and his wishy washy socialistic ideals we allowed the likes of China, Indonesia etc. to get a head start that will take some catching up with. So all this breatbeating in the name of nationalism is totally misplaced. As long as the product meets your defined standards, use it. Whether it is Godrej or Guanxiao (made up Chinese name LOL) doesn't matter.
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Chinese never had a reputation of making quality/reliable products. They are famous for cheap quality cheap to own products.
The response is given by noopster nicely

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In the new economy, you produce where it's most cost-efficient to and sell where the market is. Some of the comments made about Chinese products on this thread a re laughable (the one whch says Chinese manufacture cheap at the cost of quality and product can never be as good as Indian, American or European ones Ha!). I bet there are branded products you use everyday without even being aware that most of the components were manufactured in China.
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Aha! Nationalism!! What that has to do if someone does not trust Chinese products? No one said 'one has to prefer Indian products'. At least in this thread.

Sure there may be some Chinese made components used in products we use daily that does not make the product Chinese. Chinese products that we get in market don't even have a warranty more than 6 months.

As far as this thread is concerned, yes selling Chinese goods as "Made In India" is a fraud.

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The response is given by noopster nicely
We all know how economy works. Moreover I don't think you understood my point . I see no problems someone like Apple setting up a manufacturing plant in China and selling their products all over world. After all the product will be manufactured as per Apple's standard and not some Chinese standards. As far as someone saying Chinese quality is on par with the Europeans, the only thing I can do is laugh.

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All branded eye wear Hugo Boss, Gucci, etc are made in China.

These brands are then shipped to Italy where a minor piece like nose pads are fixed which gives them the privlege to brand, "made in italy"
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Couple years back, I had ordered a two ton cassette AC from apna desi Voltas company. The delivery was delayed for 2-3 months. When asked why, I was told that some critical parts were not getting shipped from China.

Most products we use in daily life these days come from China. This is the reality in both India, USA or elsewhere.
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We bought a pedestal fan(standing fan) last year. It was Crompton Greaves brand. I saw that the box indicated that it was a "MADE IN CHINA" product.
Just after a month of use the fan stopped working. Called up the customer care and the techinician came home and took the fan saying they have many such complaints every month since Crompton started importing the chinese fans branded as Crompton Greaves.
The fan was returned back with a motor changed. Mind you the technician told us that you will not face a problem now since the motor is made in India here. Now after nearly 1 year of use the fan works like a charm.

This is the state of Chinese products...anywhere in the world..any product...
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All branded eye wear Hugo Boss, Gucci, etc are made in China.

These brands are then shipped to Italy where a minor piece like nose pads are fixed which gives them the privlege to brand, "made in italy"
Not just China, even India is a big contributor to textile and leather branded manufacturers. Export surplus/rejects are available for cheap rates in the markets of South Indian cities, some with the logos as well. Dharavi, Asia's biggest slum, is a big player in the leather trade. So next time you strut around in that Gucci belt, remember it may be from a Mumbai slum

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The fan was returned back with a motor changed. Mind you the technician told us that you will not face a problem now since the motor is made in India here. Now after nearly 1 year of use the fan works like a charm.

This is the state of Chinese products...anywhere in the world..any product...
I am sorry that your product didn't work properly but if you're saying only Chinese products fail, you are wrong. And as for what that mechanic said, well...these guys are known to offer the most outrageous statements as homilies to angry customers.

All- I am not defending Chinese products or saying that ALL of them are good. But to tar them all with the same brush and take a stand of "Be Indian Buy Indian" in these enlightened times is just silly. In my opinion.
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Every single electronic good we get in India from the humble torch to the fancy laptop is made in China. No other nation in the world can hold a candle to China when it comes to electronics.
I wonder if we can gain an advantage in Manufacturing instead? Especially auto/ancillaries.

Forget electronics. Yesterday evening, I was moving around in a Mexican grocery store in Memphis, and spotted some neatly packed garlic. Only to find it had "Product of China" on the label! It was not frozen, mind you, appeared fresh. Its anybody's guess then where Walmart etc source their food products from.

We very clearly have missed the boat. And I doubt if we can bridge the unbelievably huge gap.

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@ Daewoo Can't digest that Nikon had to do such a disgusting thing that also years back.

@Der Alte Its not about blocking imports and closing borders. Its simply that if any Indian firm sell a Chinese good, it should be sold in the brand name of manufecturing company, not theirs. They should just market it.

But Indian firms engaged in such cheap practices know that their sales will touch bottomline if they do that, so they sell it as theirs. That's cheating, Indian consumers will not buy the product if they knew who the real manufecturer was.

@ Noopster Yes India was a bit late in opening up and got a lot of catching up to do.

@HammerHead Agree on that, just as a Made in Japan tag inspires confidence the Made in China label makes one think a thousand times before putting their hard earned money on any product from that country.

And when it comes to "Made in India", a huge consignment of fake madicine manufectured in China was recently caught and the packgings had "Made in India" label in it. Even the fake drug makers don't trust Made in China label!

@ Beejay If so the case, buyers of Hugo Boss, Gucci, etc are putting their money in the wrong place then.

@Samurai Using Chinese product is not an issue as long as they offer quality and reliability. One should not be made to waste their hard earned money on a trusted Indian cover brand falsely.

@ VMC I agree to you on that. One just can't trust a Chinese product no matter what. There are dangerous loopholes in the name of cost saving and greed by western & some Indian firms.

@Noopster Companies like Godrej, Usha, Bajaj, HCL etc should enlighten the customer that what they are selling is actually is not their product but cheap and unreliable Chinese product and then Indian consumers will decide.

@ Sajo India will bounce back ultimately because our products offer quality and reliability unlike the Chinese. Better late then never.

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Well to tell you how much China has invaded in our daily lives, the buttons on the shirt that you wear everyday are made in China. China produces more than 2/3rd's of the buttons that are used in the world.
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