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Old 4th August 2017, 22:17   #24196
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I still don't get the argument of why a human life is more important than an animal life! They are both sentient beings! If that is a valid excuse to kill an animal, then by extension, there are certain humans who don't value other human life and does that make it okay for them to kill other people just because it's a matter of their priority? A better suggestion would be to stay within limits of our driving capability, and learn to brake in panic situations rather than blindly swerve out of control. As Thad mentioned, it's not needed to brake for birds as they may fly away, but for other animals, most of the time it would suffice to just honk, unless it's cattle.
There is no valid excuse for killing anything if it can safely be avoided. We are not being hard-hearted or cruel here. I think (couldn't find it afterwards) that I might have run over a cat once, and I have never forgotten that. Not just the cat itself, but, if I did kill it, that, to someone, was like a child. I don't know. Of course, I hope I was mistaken.

My dad was born a British animal lover, a generation before V.Narayan's dad learnt in UK. In fact, he was old enough to not have ever taken a driving test. Still, he gave the lesson that he did. He also pointed out that running into a cow would damage the car almost as much as the cow. Great lessons. I think we've run too much on this off-topic.
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Old 4th August 2017, 23:33   #24197
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There is no valid excuse for killing anything if it can safely be avoided. We are not being hard-hearted or cruel here.
Completely agreed with your points. As I said, accidents do happen! What I wanted to point out was the mistake in dismissing a sentient being as "just an animal". If we can be careful enough to not run down any stray pedestrians, why not extend the same courtesy to stray animals? We wouldn't be suggesting to not avoid any pedestrian if it compromises our safety or of the other road users!

Agreed we have gone a bit off topic so I will refrain from further commenting on this topic!
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Happened yesterday night near my house.


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The car was jacked up and then boulders were piled under the front wheels to raise them clear off the drain. The car was then pushed out.
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Old 5th August 2017, 10:38   #24199
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Isn't it sad to keep some one else life in risk for saving an animal ?
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Maybe, but he's right.

Sure, not many of us would kill or hurt an animal if we can avoid doing so, but do not endanger pedestrians or other drivers.
Agreed with the swerving part. But I still disagree with the point that it is okay to kill an animal to save a human life. Your point that it is sad to put someone else's life in danger due to an animal has the underlying assumption that humans are more important than animals.

Now just go ahead and replace that unknowing animal who is on the road with a knowing human and imagine what you would do. Would you run him over to save the swerving (and other lives and drivers?). No.

In all probability, if a human was in your path, you would try everything not to kill. Reasons? He might be important to his family. OR You might be in court or in jail, despite being not at fault. But killing an animal? You know nobody will care. It will probably lie there rotting away. It might be important to it's family as well. But people just don't care unless that life is a human.

This is what is wrong with the world. Next time you think of hitting a dog on the road to save a human, see this attachment.

In panic situations, I assume most of us would try to save the life which is in direct line of danger with our car. It's just an impulse.

I wish the government and people involved paid attention not only to human accidents and deaths on road, animals too.
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It's instinct mostly to swerve to avoid hitting . We have seen many instances where a bus or lorry is swerved to avoid a child on his bicycle and hitting other people. It's less so with an animal. Here too, size matters. If it's a cat or dog, if one cannot avoid hitting, one will go and hit it. What if it's a Buffalo? No one would dare hit it. In most instances, a two wheeler rider prefers human to Buffalo to hit. Same with Pigs too. I don't think many two-wheelers would escape unhurt after hitting it.

It's primarily instinct for survival, own and other humans. Animals do come second, in most cases. It also depends on the ride.
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Can we move on? Nobody wants to willingly hurt anyone on the road. Be safe drive safe.
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Old 5th August 2017, 13:49   #24202
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I think we should move on. But lets take one more point into consideration. It's not kind, it's not humane but it's very real-world-true: nobody gets arrested for running into a stray dog.

But these are pretty good final words on the topic
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Nobody wants to willingly hurt anyone on the road.
Anyone, any species.
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Accident on Calicut- Wayanad NH, involving a bus, a car and jeep. Posting the link from Mathrubhumi below.
http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/...ured-1.2142923
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Are you pointing out that only human lives matter not animal lives? That is an extremely sad statement to make.
In my book, if the choice is between a human and an animal life, I will unhesitatingly hit the latter. Subject to it being small enough. One can't hit a bull or cow without coming to harm.

The question is not whether the animal is a sentient being or not. It is, but less so than a human. And certainly will not cause the legal trouble and liability of hitting a human.
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In my book, if the choice is between a human and an animal life, I will unhesitatingly hit the latter. Subject to it being small enough. One can't hit a bull or cow without coming to harm.

The question is not whether the animal is a sentient being or not. It is, but less so than a human. And certainly will not cause the legal trouble and liability of hitting a human.

I'm astonished! I really felt that maybe somewhere as more sentient beings we will be able to be a little more responsible, but I guess we will just save the legal trouble and run over an animal instead.

I'm sorry if this is a dig, but I just can't see the logic of the statement made.

Drive responsibly, watch out for people, animals and other objects should be the way forward!

Cheers and apologies in advance!
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Accident on Calicut- Wayanad NH, involving a bus, a car and jeep. Posting the link from Mathrubhumi below.
http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/...ured-1.2142923
The destruction is terrifying!

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From today's Deccan Herald:

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Either the Truck was a mammoth loaded to the brim, or the TT driver was showing off his racing skills in front of the Foreigners.
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Cheers and apologies in advance!
None needed! We all drive carefully, but sometimes the unexpected happens.

Just tell me if the choice is either hitting a boy or swerving and running over a dog, what will you choose?
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Just tell me if the choice is either hitting a boy or swerving and running over a dog, what will you choose?
By all means, nobody want to kill an animal.
however, if I have to make a choice between a human and an animal, I will be a bit more selfish and try to save the life of my race - human. Its not belittling the other life OR saying human life is more valuable. Its plain selfishness that one of my kind is going to survive.
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Are you pointing out that only human lives matter not animal lives? That is an extremely sad statement to make.
First of all, animals should not be on the roads. In most countries, especially in the developed world, all stray animals are caught and killed. Yes, there are adoption programmes but over 95% of stray animals get killed by the authorities. Stray animals endanger lives by causing accidents in addition to other problems such as biting humans, barking and leaving excrement everywhere which leads to a lack of cleanliness and diseases. Do you see stray dogs, cows or pigs in the streets of London, Paris or New York? How are they eliminated? The brutal truth is: by killing them. Why? Because even human convenience, let alone human lives, are far more important than animal lives.

Of course human lives are far more important than animals. All countries allow humans to kill animals just for food. No country allows you to kill a human for any purpose (except death penalty by a court). Personally, I do not eat meat as the thought of killing an animal for food is repulsive to me but that doesn't change the fact that billions of people kill millions of animals for food every day all across the world.

Of course one should try to stop and not kill any animal but it is silly to equate an animal with a human in this context.
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