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Old 20th September 2017, 00:42   #24676
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That does not make it right, of course, but... shades of grey.
There are so many shades of grey. Our maid always hitches a ride from her 14 year old on a moped, as the husband is a drunkard. We ask our maid to never get a ride from the drunkard. There are so many corners they are cutting in life that not allowing the child is the least of anyone's concern.

In my opinion, the bigger issue is that of racing on public roads. And equating speeding on public roads with fun. There are tons of YouTube videos with grownups giggling while they race other cars on Indian expressways. As this subculture grows, it rubs off easily on youngsters. I hope such mid night racing is not a sub culture with a Whatapp group, forum, and regular races with bragging rights like the Rice burners, and rice rockets in Southern California. This is not coming out of affluence alone, but out of a sub culture that craves for this activity. There has been a heavy handed crackdown on such activities in So Cal. This has also given rice to ample facilities where hobby racers can hone their skills and race in the sanctity of a closed circuit, where everyone involved understand the risks.

I sincerely hope, schools, colleges and parents crush the menace of street racing in the bud.

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Old 20th September 2017, 00:55   #24677
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Just for the sake of safety, of self and more importantly others, people need to take into perspective that these days it's not as simple as the ancient days. Things were pretty much slower and easier with vehicles back then. Agreed, technically you could have been killed even back then but the odds were lesser.

Those days, all you had was mediocre Fiats and Ambassadors and Rajdoots and the more powerful Yezdi, Jawa, RD, etc. But they were all relatively tame in front of the much more powerful and fast motors zipping away all over the place these days. You have turbo charged zippy cars, orange port bikes, and 150-250bhp plus machines all over. And the roads themselves are much more crowded with much more stupid drivers and oversmart parents of kid drivers sharing the road. If you think of it, it's a deadly concoction with tragedy waiting to happen at almost any time. Simple statistics.

So for example, a kid stealing a 75cc ride back in the day and a kid stealing a 150-200bhp much faster and quicker car for a joyride on roads with average vehicle speeds in the 100-200 range of today are two very much contrasting scenarios with very different possible results. Mostly deadly, I'd say. The sad thing is, most folks don't seem to comprehend the stark difference(or it doesn't even cross their minds) and hence don't bat an eyelid before handing over that death key.

My only request to such wise-guys is, repected humans, if you don't value your child's life and don't think much about letting him/her die, it's your choice, only, please spare the other road users from the danger of your acts. You're not gonna pay for them right? Even if you do, you don't have the right to kill/main them. You can hoodwink the law with your clout and cash but please spare others from your recklessness and stupidity. Its not anyone's personal road. Kill your kids in your own premises and be happy man! Save the world from the risk and trouble. What's so hard about that. The end result is the same. You end up with a dead kid.
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Old 20th September 2017, 10:16   #24678
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Friends Creta met with an accident near Hazira . the driver of friends car did not see the other car join the cross road from the wrong side . Luckily no injuries to either party
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Friends Creta met with an accident near Hazira . the driver of friends car did not see the other car join the cross road from the wrong side . Luckily no injuries to either party
Your friend's Creta is a total loss, looks like - but it also looks like he got out safely. What was the other vehicle in this collision?
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Your friend's Creta is a total loss, looks like - but it also looks like he got out safely. What was the other vehicle in this collision?
Yes thankfully all four passengers in the Creta were belted , hence no injuries to anyone despite crashing at 80 kmph, another documented case of seatbelt saving lives , my friend was the front co passenger and has suffered no injuries , the other car was a ciaz. The Creta could be signed off as total loss , after all the owner is a senior insurance official
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Ive seen this chap driving around town since 2 days!
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Completely agreed that kids don't learn to drive/ride without an adult's involvement.

Look at this picture. Kid can't even be 10 years old. No helmet, shoes or any protection. Picture posted by an adult and beaming with pride. And comments section was equally appalling.

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Completely agreed that kids don't learn to drive/ride without an adult's involvement.

Look at this picture. Kid can't even be 10 years old. No helmet, shoes or any protection. Picture posted by an adult and beaming with pride. And comments section was equally appalling.
I'm not a 2-wheeler rider, and I don't know how much risk that child is taking. Bruises and grazes are part of what everyone goes through learning how to ride a pedal cycle... but what happens if that thing falls on her leg?

That aside, if this is private ground then I don't object to what I see there. As I said, my dad taught me to steer a car as a very young child sitting on his lap in a field. Of course, his feet were on on the pedals, and his hands could grab the wheel, and there was no chance whatsoever of my turning over that vehicle like that.

So, what I see there I don't necessarily mind. But next week, or next month, will she be sent out on the roads as per recent posts? That's a different thing altogether.
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Old 20th September 2017, 20:49   #24684
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Brand new accident, at HSR layout. AT the spot circled in red.

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Car being test driven (the Alto) comes out of the side road without checking. The Ciaz runs smack into the side. No major injuries. Mercifully, no causalities.

Strangely, no airbags were deployed.

The entire front end of the Ciaz is gone.

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Considering the damage to the Ciaz, the Alto seems to have come out ok. A hole in the door; that's all. Even the glass seems to be unaffected.
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A few years back (10?) a similar accident happened. A armored Scorpio (rumoured to be the then AP CM's SIL) going on the major road (13th Cross) was T-boned by a truck coming from the side road. Interestingly, the Scorpio had an escort but the truck hit only the Scorpio.

SO, what do the brains in BDA (then) do? They put a speed breaker on Main Road making every vehicle slow down. (Should have been on the side road, IMO.)

I am sure now the powers that be will put up another speed breaker on the other side of the crossing 'for safety'!

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I have absolutely no sympathy for those who break rules, ride rashly and as a result meet their maker. Driving lessons from the internet for young hormones? Really? Can any parent today say with confidence that they have full control over their child's every movement and internet lessons will really calm them down? And who is to blame for lax implementation of road rules? Those who are maimed or killed for no fault of theirs? I agree, its not right to speak ill of the departed, but I don't see any solution to this, unless the young ones are not refrained from using modes which can endanger their's or pedestrian's lives.
I would like to relate an incident which took place in a school in Chennai, wherein my friendís sons was studying. This is some years back. A group of students from 10th or 11th standard, got together and made some money, I think under dubious circumstances, and brought a bike, which was then shared amongst themselves. The first surprising thing was that no parent objected when they see their son riding a bike, it was taken by these kids for taking the GF for a spin, and the matter came out during a PTA meeting. I cannot understand whether these kids have driving licences, and how they were riding around. If an accident had happened, then again the parents would have been at a loss. What I am saying is quite a few parents are to blame for their childrenís upbringing, and are responsible for their actions.
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Kid can't even be 10 years old. No helmet, shoes or any protection. Picture posted by an adult and beaming with pride. And comments section was equally appalling.
The adult should be arrested. The Kid should be sent for counselling.


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Friends Creta met with an accident near Hazira . the driver of friends car did not see the other car join the cross road from the wrong side . Luckily no injuries to either party
The car's structure seems to have taken the impact quite well.
What speeds were involved in this crash?
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Youth dies in car crash in Mohali (A case of high-speed driving and possibly high beams)

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/cha...ay/470576.html

Saw the mangled remains of the car myself while on way to my office the next morning. The front side of the car was totaled. No way anyone could have survived the crash.
The truck has steel beam running through the front side of the truck and the car collided straight head-on.


By the looks of the accident, it seems that the car was coming at a high speed and the truck had high beams on. The driver might have been blinded by the oncoming lights and could not judge the curve, jumped the median and banged straight into the truck.

A lot of accidents happen at this curve in the winters and at night when commuters are unable to judge the curve due to fog or blinded high beams. People have removed railings at the junction where the car jumped the median so that they can take an illegal turn. The high speed of the car was another factor which played against the victim.
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I'm not a 2-wheeler rider, and I don't know how much risk that child is taking. Bruises and grazes are part of what everyone goes through learning how to ride a pedal cycle... but what happens if that thing falls on her leg?

That aside, if this is private ground then I don't object to what I see there. As I said, my dad taught me to steer a car as a very young child sitting on his lap in a field. Of course, his feet were on on the pedals, and his hands could grab the wheel, and there was no chance whatsoever of my turning over that vehicle like that.

So, what I see there I don't necessarily mind. But next week, or next month, will she be sent out on the roads as per recent posts? That's a different thing altogether.
Usually agree with you, but not on this one. Even if it is a private area, if the child slips and falls (is she attempting a wheelie?? ), without any basic safety gear, there is a chance of a catastrophic injury. What makes the parent let the child take risks like this? I simply cannot fathom. If it was up to me there was no way she would be allowed to get on the bike. Completely the parent to blame.
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My father one bought a Rajdooth 175 and restored it to full glory. The gleaming machine was so alluring that I once decide to ride it come what may. I was 13 then and managed to wrangle it out of the gate. I kick started it. But the noise, vibration and the unimaginably grating noise which it made on slotting in to first gear made me sweat a lot, shiver a little and back off with butterflies in the stomach. I managed to get it back to where it was left parked and slunk away. On the next day neighbors buzzed it to my Dad who seemed to have nonchalantly ignored it. That was what I thought until the next time I unsuccessfully scouted for the key for the better part of the day.

Neighbors had warned my Dad bluntly about the impending danger at the point of time. But nowadays we are too polished and non confrontational that we just appreciatively nod at whatever antics the neighbor does without showing disapproval. This encourages the parents to get more brash and makes their kids vulnerable to harm in their quest to show off with the parent providing all they ask for. Its not prestigious its like making drunk person do something bad by unrealistically praising their 'bravery'.

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Found this photo of a badly mangeled Vitara Brezza on FB. Have no additional info as to where it happened or what is the fate of the occupants.

A very fatal crash for sure, but can't deduce much from the angle of the photograph. Either the ZDI or ZDI+ model by the look of the alloys. No airbag deplyment visible from this angle at least. Anybody have any further info on this incident ?
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