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Old 26th September 2017, 12:04   #24721
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On further inquiring about this with the owner of the vehicle, the driver had slowed down for a speed breaker but unfortunately, a TATA Sumo could not slow down in time and kissed it around 10-15 kmph speed.
I also hate the direction Maruti is taking with their new vehicles doesn't feel future proof at all. I thought they were actually making a heavy comitment when they offered the Kizashi, and even though the name meant ' good omen ' and the car itself did not sell well, I thought it was atleast a sign of good things to come from the Suzuki stable. The Kizashi when launched in 2010, was still out performing VWs and BMWs in 2014 in crash tests. Now they are just going backwards; The Baleno, Brezza, Ciaz etc such poorly built cars.

That said, so much damage at 10-15 kmph? Seriously? I don't think so.
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Old 26th September 2017, 12:10   #24722
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That said, so much damage at 10-15 kmph? Seriously? I don't think so.
I was astonished just like you. Even the owner did not believe that such a big dent was caused by the SUMO which was also a part of their convoy.
You can see the TATA-SUMO parked in the pic.

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I don't get a good feeling when I see the new range Suzukis in this shape.
Most people buying these cars are concerned about 3 things:
  1. How fast does it go?
  2. How efficient is it? Buying cost Vs Fuel Cost
  3. How many it can carry? Not Seating capacity but literally how many can fit in

And anyone can see that all 3 conditions cannot be fulfilled at the same time at all times. Net result is a vehicle that is underpowered, tall and large carrying 5+ people in it at a speed from which it cannot stop.

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In any case, we are talking about an immediate measure to control such deaths.
A bike accident at 170 kph in the night is equivalent to someone jumping off of a terrace of a building. Fast bikes are Fine Machines that are to be enjoyed responsibly, largely dependent on the person driving. Same with cars.

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You can see the TATA-SUMO parked in the pic.
A car built in the 90s copying a few built a decade before that, with zero crumple zones meets a car designed for modern times with crumple zones at both front and back with better braking distances. To top it all, the Sumo would probably have had a bull bar as standard fitment to kill and maim anyone it's path for good measure, somewhat like that chariot from 'Bahubali'.

Have been seeing this one car recently added to the Kanakapura Road Exit from Tumkur road side. Looks like it landed on it's roof or went sideways and hit a lorry.
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Old 26th September 2017, 22:48   #24724
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That is a more practical solution.
We still follow the age old system when 350cc bullet was the highest capacity machine available in the country.
Today we have litre-class bikes in plenty and still the same licensing system is followed wherein you can ride a Platina and Hayabusa with the same license.
You already have the answer.
Age old system

You cannot have the change overnight it will need a generation or at the least another 40 years IF THE LICENSING SYSTEM IS CHANGED.
This is unlike Demonetization which could be done overnight.

reason being: the existing road users already have a driving / riding license so bad riders will be driving alongside the good ones. Gradually nature will consume the present ones to give rise to the future sane road users.
This will still be kind of science fiction
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There will be no future sane users as long as there are still insane examples sharing the same road with them. I feel the only real way to effect any change is large scale police reform, including a multi tier licence system.

In other countries, one can have a licence to drive and ride at 16. But to be able to ride or drive vehicles fast, alone, on the highway requires at about four more years and incremental licences and tests.

What can be done for existing licence holders is convert their licences to a full intermediate licence and a top tier (High Risk Vehicles) learners licence. If one needs to get a full top tier licence, let them give the test in the usual 6 months. Or Else it will expire. No one needs to be denied the ability to drive any vehicle they already have.

Easy enough to say though.
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There will be no future sane users as long as there are still insane examples sharing the same road with them. I feel the only real way to effect any change is large scale police reform, including a multi tier licence system.

In other countries, one can have a licence to drive and ride at 16. But to be able to ride or drive vehicles fast, alone, on the highway requires at about four more years and incremental licences and tests.

What can be done for existing licence holders is convert their licences to a full intermediate licence and a top tier (High Risk Vehicles) learners licence. If one needs to get a full top tier licence, let them give the test in the usual 6 months. Or Else it will expire. No one needs to be denied the ability to drive any vehicle they already have.

Easy enough to say though.
We all know this will NEVER be possible in a country where even before the Helmet law could be passed the petitions derailed the process.
When personal safety has no relevance, new traffic rules and enforcement for the benefit of all will be the joke of the day.
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We all know this will NEVER be possible in a country where even before the Helmet law could be passed the petitions derailed the process.
When personal safety has no relevance, new traffic rules and enforcement for the benefit of all will be the joke of the day.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Look at demonetisation, look at GST, look at the decision to go all electric by 2030.

If the powers that be decide, the reforms can happen, sometimes even overnight.

The only question is when these powers will become serious about road safety.
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Old 27th September 2017, 15:34   #24728
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We all know this will NEVER be possible in a country where even before the Helmet law could be passed the petitions derailed the process.
When personal safety has no relevance, new traffic rules and enforcement for the benefit of all will be the joke of the day.
There is only one way to learn, and that is to uniformly and consistently enforce the law, and continue to do it.

Would you believe that restrictions on alcohol and driving, and compulsory seat belts, were both greeted by the British public as terrible infringements on their liberty! Yes, they were. But the laws were made, and have been consistently enforced, with serious penalties (especially for the first) for decades now, and the vast majority, even those who still disagree, silently comply.

Speed cameras, in UK, are still very controversial, and I would not disagree that they are sometimes just revenue generators for the local authorities. But at this stage in Indian driving development, speed and red-light-violation cameras are just what we need. With actually enforced fines that are big enough to hurt. And hey, they do earn money!
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Old 27th September 2017, 19:44   #24729
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Youth dies in car crash in Mohali (A case of high-speed driving and possibly high beams)

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/cha...ay/470576.html

Saw the mangled remains of the car myself while on way to my office the next morning. The front side of the car was totaled. No way anyone could have survived the crash.
The truck has steel beam running through the front side of the truck and the car collided straight head-on.


By the looks of the accident, it seems that the car was coming at a high speed and the truck had high beams on. The driver might have been blinded by the oncoming lights and could not judge the curve, jumped the median and banged straight into the truck.

A lot of accidents happen at this curve in the winters and at night when commuters are unable to judge the curve due to fog or blinded high beams. People have removed railings at the junction where the car jumped the median so that they can take an illegal turn. The high speed of the car was another factor which played against the victim.
I'm a frequent traveler on this section as well. As your map correctly indicates (and since I'm from the Sikh religion, let me take the liberty to say so), letting that Gurudwara stay in its place and then make a major 6 lane ring road circumvent it, is stupidity of enormous proportions. Someone with authority and a zeal to get things right could have easily resolved this matter. You might have also noticed a 'mazaar' as soon as we take a right from the next traffic lights. Smack in the middle of the road!

Combine all this with the foggy conditions, only God knows how many lives will be lost in future

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letting that Gurudwara stay in its place and then make a major 6 lane ring road circumvent it, is stupidity of enormous proportions. Someone with authority and a zeal to get things right could have easily resolved this matter. You might have also noticed a 'mazaar' as soon as we take a right from the next traffic lights. Smack in the middle of the road!
Some months ago I heard of some sort of committee which had many members working on correcting faulty road construction and signals, walkways etc. They are really built in extremely haphazard ways in so many places.

There seems to be no common sense and/or proper guidlines in order to build roads in our country. I'm sure if at all there are certain pointers, they are decades old. No one cares. There's zero 'Vikas' in the way our roads are built to put it rightly. Mods, this is strictly not political. I'm using a nowadays 'famous' word though, if I may.
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There is only one way to learn, and that is to uniformly and consistently enforce the law, and continue to do it.
Absolutely agree on this.

The recent rule in force now on use of mobile phones when driving in UK.
Before the rule was enforced road users were given about 6 weeks to get themselves well aware of the fine, prosecution and penalty points if caught.
During these 6 weeks I remember one of my office colleague being stopped by an officer, let off with a caution after letting him know what the consequences would be in a few days from then.

There were road hoardings, FM radio slots at peak travel hours, Cable TV, (emails and SMS broadcast to all license holders), informing of the Fine.

Penalties
You can get 6 penalty points and a £200 fine if you use a hand-held phone.
You can also be taken to court where you can:
be banned from driving or riding
get a maximum fine of £1,000 (£2,500 if you’re driving a lorry or bus)
If you passed your driving test in the last 2 years, you’ll lose your licence.

We stand up for so many issues, morchas etc.

It is time we should voice and get the authorities to take some steps to improve the licensing, enforcement with no bail, and so many other pointers if we need to see some change, and save the youth and road users.

I don't know how to go about or maybe I'm overreacting and
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Saw this truck while on my way to Goa on Karnataka SH-34.
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Drove past an accident site yesterday on the way back from pondicherry to Vellore. Not sure what happened and if anyone was injured.
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Looks like he hit the divider which comes in the video at 0.07. Since there are no other vehicles in a similar state, this is what I gather.

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Looks like he hit the divider which comes in the video at 0.07. Since there are no other vehicles in a similar state, this what I gather.
At the end of the video, one can see another car behind a tree. Would that car have been involved as well?

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