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Old 16th November 2013, 08:33   #61
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They wouldn't get the extra cash to pocket and it would rather go to the owner.
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1. You are filled for 2500 and charged 2800. You pay by card.

Fuel Filled = 2500, Owner gets = 2800, Attendant get = 0
I think, in both ways attendant will be able to pocket extra money. One way is straight forward.
Now the second method (on card purchase). There will be many attendants in one fueling station. One person may work for sometime and hand it over next person for some time. Whenever a person take over a dispensing unit, he will note the cumulative reading at that point of time (eg:- 5000 ltrs). He will hand it over to next person and will note down the reading at the end (eg:6000). The person who was operating the pump will have to deposit amount corresponding to total sales ie 1000 x 85 =Rs 85000 at office ( Fuel/Rs.85/ltr). Some customers might have swiped their cards, for say Rs.15000 and rest is cash purchase. the attendant can easily match the total value by pocketing the surplus. The transaction slips during card purchase is counted as money. Hope things work this way.

Having said that, I don't believe all fuel pump owners are clean.
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But when you are paying by card then what incentive does the attendants have to cheat you? They wouldn't get the extra cash to pocket and it would rather go to the owner. Or is it that owners provide them bonuses on the amount of money they fleece from the customers at the end of every month!
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It is very simple buddy.

1. You are filled for 2500 and charged 2800. You pay by card.

Fuel Filled = 2500, Owner gets = 2800, Attendant get = 0

2. I go and fill for 500, pay by cash. Attendant gives 200 to owner and pockets 300.

Fuel filled = 3000, Owner gets = 3000, Attendant gets = 300.

You get cheated!!

SIr he doesnt have to wait for someone else to come and fill up the moment the sales boy cheats someone he at the very precise moment removes the same amount from the cash in hand and pockets it. In the present scenario as soon as the customer would have left after paying 2800/ by card the sales boy would have removed 300/ from the cash in hand.

The dealers only used to benefit through adulteration which has been curbed now so now most of the malpractices are a bonus for The sales staff.
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Old 22nd November 2013, 21:33   #63
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SIr he doesnt have to wait for someone else to come and fill up the moment the sales boy cheats someone he at the very precise moment removes the same amount from the cash in hand and pockets it. In the present scenario as soon as the customer would have left after paying 2800/ by card the sales boy would have removed 300/ from the cash in hand.

The dealers only used to benefit through adulteration which has been curbed now so now most of the malpractices are a bonus for The sales staff.
It is obvious that he doesn't have to wait There are hundreds of cash customers everyday. I just quoted the example to make understanding easy.
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If you are someone who counts the notes when someone else is counting , please read this !!


I noticed something new happening at petrol bunks off-late. Not sure if this is an old trick or this has been posted earlier on the forum.

Most of the times I use my card at station to fuel up. I recently went to the Bharat Petroleum on Residency road and asked to fill up for 200 and decided to give him in cash. I gave him 500 note,in return he counted 3 hundred rupee notes but handed over only 2 Hundred rupee notes. I immediately counted the notes because this was the second time I was facing this and I knew that he is trying to cheat me. I asked him where is another hundred then he gives me 2 fifty rupee notes. Makes it look like he is giving 100x2 and 50x2.

The trick of him counting 3 notes and giving only 2 notes looks extremely legit. You will not find out unless you count the notes again when in your hand. So if you are someone who counts the notes when someone else is counting then be-aware.
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Most of the times I use my card at station to fuel up. I recently went to the Bharat Petroleum on Residency road and asked to fill up for 200 and decided to give him in cash. I gave him 500 note,in return he counted 3 hundred rupee notes but handed over only 2 Hundred rupee notes. I immediately counted the notes because this was the second time I was facing this and I knew that he is trying to cheat me. I asked him where is another hundred then he gives me 2 fifty rupee notes. Makes it look like he is giving 100x2 and 50x2.
This exact thing happened to me in a HP station in Chennai few weeks back including the 50x2 bit and I brushed it off as attendant's carelessness at that time

I was struggling to close my scooter's seat lid after filling up while watching the attendant counting the notes. I definitely thought I saw 3x100 notes counted but he gave me only 2x100 notes and I paused a bit to check if I'm wrong and asked him for the remaining 100. He was surprised (or acted!) and he gave me 2x50 notes and I thought nothing about it at that time. Really could be a cheating averted!!
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This exact thing happened to me in a HP station in Chennai few weeks back including the 50x2 bit and I brushed it off as attendant's carelessness at that time
So this is happening everywhere. In-fact when it happened for the first time to me I was clueless whether it is a deliberate attempt or a mistake but when it happened for the second time I blasted him and his frightened face said everything.
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If you are someone who counts the notes when someone else is counting , please read this !!


I noticed something new happening at petrol bunks off-late. Not sure if this is an old trick or this has been posted earlier on the forum.

Most of the times I use my card at station to fuel up. I recently went to the Bharat Petroleum on Residency road and asked to fill up for 200 and decided to give him in cash. I gave him 500 note,in return he counted 3 hundred rupee notes but handed over only 2 Hundred rupee notes. I immediately counted the notes because this was the second time I was facing this and I knew that he is trying to cheat me. I asked him where is another hundred then he gives me 2 fifty rupee notes. Makes it look like he is giving 100x2 and 50x2.

The trick of him counting 3 notes and giving only 2 notes looks extremely legit. You will not find out unless you count the notes again when in your hand. So if you are someone who counts the notes when someone else is counting then be-aware.
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This exact thing happened to me in a HP station in Chennai few weeks back including the 50x2 bit and I brushed it off as attendant's carelessness at that time

I was struggling to close my scooter's seat lid after filling up while watching the attendant counting the notes. I definitely thought I saw 3x100 notes counted but he gave me only 2x100 notes and I paused a bit to check if I'm wrong and asked him for the remaining 100. He was surprised (or acted!) and he gave me 2x50 notes and I thought nothing about it at that time. Really could be a cheating averted!!
This exact thing was tried with me too. A new thing is "card machine not working" and they want to transact with cash. I bluntly refuse to pay cash and drive out. A couple of days back registered a complaint with HPCL that the bunk doesn't accept cards beyond 11 pm which is plain ridiculous. I drove out without refueling, not that I did not have cash, just that digital way is easier and 0.75% incentive to boot. Awaiting response from HPCL now.
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I fill up at a couple of petrol pumps on the Kalyan Shil road near Dombivali. My XUV has a tank capacity of 70 Liters. I have noticed at both the HP pumps that even when my fuel indicator is showing 2 bars, the guy ends up filling 67 to 68 liters. I find it strange and upon being confronted, the guys does the 5 liter measuring can filling routine satisfactorily. I always keep an eye on the meter, make sure it is reset, the nozzle is on auto cut off and the attendant does not touch it.
Any fellow XUV owners can verify if this is possible, I am in doubt if i am getting short changed.
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Any fellow XUV owners can verify if this is possible, I am in doubt if i am getting short changed.
XUV's actual tank capacity is larger than the advertised 70L. When my vehicle was delivered, the SA poured 8 liters of diesel into the tank in front of me. I drove 10 km to the pump and it took 67.5 liters (no topping up).
At the most recent fillup, it was down to 1 bar and it took 70 liters, again no topping up and this was at my trusted pump.

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Not exactly a petrol pump fraud but I believe the petrol pump staff is also aware of this. There is an HP petrol pump near Sarjapur Road where the guy who fills air will always say that the one of tyres has less pressure than the others and that particular tyre has puncture, he will then ask to get it checked there itself as he has the tools. I have experienced it myself and noticed that guy trying this trick with a few other customers every time I go there. I even warned a few of them.
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Not exactly a petrol pump fraud but I believe the petrol pump staff is also aware of this. There is an HP petrol pump near Sarjapur Road where the guy who fills air will always say that the one of tyres has less pressure than the others and that particular tyre has puncture, he will then ask to get it checked there itself as he has the tools. I have experienced it myself and noticed that guy trying this trick with a few other customers every time I go there. I even warned a few of them.
Is this on haralur road, near sarjapur road?
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Is this on haralur road, near sarjapur road?
Yes exactly. Have you experienced the same?
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Well it was genuine once, but i guess he tries to up sell his services when you fill nitrogen.
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Any fellow XUV owners can verify if this is possible, I am in doubt if i am getting short changed.
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XUV's actual tank capacity is larger than the advertised 70L.
Similar experience for me as well in Bangalore. I read some explanation somewhere that the XUV has around 5- 8 liters for some "dead weight"storage or something like that, and this is over and above the advertised 70 liters capacity.
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