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Old 12th June 2013, 01:28   #61
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What this bloke is upto is clearly and undoubtedly illegal and in contravention of traffic rules isnt it?
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Absolutely illegal and irrefutably irrespnsible.
In that case, laws need to be amended. There are cars that drive and park themselves without human intervention.
In this video, would you call it illegal for the person to walk away from a car which proceeds to drive on its own to the parking slot.



Its a question of do you trust a human in the passenger seat to drive better or a chip within the innards of a car...

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In that case, laws need to be amended. There are cars that drive and park themselves without human intervention.
In this video, would you call it illegal for the person to walk away from a car which proceeds to drive on its own to the parking slot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=b_m8DqTlOLE

Its a question of do you trust a human in the passenger seat to drive better or a chip within the innards of a car...
The laws need to be amended - you are right. Arizona, Nevada and some other states in the US have done just that to allow Google's car to be driven on the streets of their states. I'm not sure if VW group had to do something similar in Germany to test out their automated cars.
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In that case, laws need to be amended. There are cars that drive and park themselves without human intervention.
In this video, would you call it illegal for the person to walk away from a car which proceeds to drive on its own to the parking slot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=b_m8DqTlOLE

Its a question of do you trust a human in the passenger seat to drive better or a chip within the innards of a car...
Ok. Point taken. However, our Indian Motor Vehicle Act then needs to be amended to accommodate such things. In our crowded country with daredevil mopeds and other denizens of the road, I think there is a far higher chance of mishap than perhaps there may be, in a less crowded, more spacious environment.
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History says laws have followed technology.
IMV act needs to be amended and made fool proof so that insurance does not become a hassle due to mishaps during automated drives.

"Saar, who was driving your car at the time of accident"
"My car"
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Interesting thread - so many theories, views, explanations, legality etc on the driverless car!
So here's another point of view - came across this in yesterday's City Express (supplement with Indian Express) newspaper, Bangalore edition, seems to be the same person and car ?
Well, he's being portayed as a person who's spreading 'social awareness' messages

E-paper link here
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This is no Google car. My brother had seen this car couple of months ago and also had a chance to speak to the person. The owner told him that he has designed the system on his own.

How it works is the route is planned on a GPS enabled smartphone and the car drives based on the route. It has sensors placed infront of the car which avoid collision with other cars or objects.

Looks like he enjoyed the chat with your brother.
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Hi, my cousin saw this car around 9:15 pm near Ejipura-koramangala inner ring road Bangalore , the car was moving around 20 km max . my cousin wanted to talk to him but could not do so as he took a different turn at the signal !

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Hope our news channels does not pick this up as a ghost riding the car and make a big fuss of it Would be very interesting to know more about driver-less car from an Indian legal standpoint. The best place for this gentleman to come and explain (about driver-less controls & etc) would be here.
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Ok. Point taken. However, our Indian Motor Vehicle Act then needs to be amended to accommodate such things. In our crowded country with daredevil mopeds and other denizens of the road, I think there is a far higher chance of mishap than perhaps there may be, in a less crowded, more spacious environment.
In this particular case, there is no need to amend the law, since it is not a driverless car. It is indeed a car with a driver, just that he is seated on a different seat.
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In this particular case, there is no need to amend the law, since it is not a driverless car. It is indeed a car with a driver, just that he is seated on a different seat.
Basically there should be guidelines on how to drive the car. Else this kind of stunting will become rampant as already is amongst some motorbikers who try to pop wheelies etc on the public roads...its quite fraught with danger just in case one loses control.
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History says laws have followed technology.
IMV act needs to be amended and made fool proof so that insurance does not become a hassle due to mishaps during automated drives.

"Saar, who was driving your car at the time of accident"
"My car"
" "
Laws will get ammended once the driverless car technology is fool proof and works with a high degree of reliability. Lets take the example of aviation. In case of a crash or accident, the insurance is easier to claim if the airplane was flying on autopilot instead of manual controls, the idea being, with autopilot the human factor of error is removed. As they say: The weakest link in the cockpit is the nut behind the controls
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While driving in the crazy Saturday evening traffic in Koramangla, I was stuck behind this car which was being driven unusually slow even though there was an empty stretch ahead. I then noticed a message on the back of the car which said "caution - no driver in the car" (or something like that). For a moment I thought it was some joke, but then I got really curious and overtook the car to see if it was real. And it was!! Was really shocked to see there was no driver in the seat, but there was some box like device, and there was a guy in the co-driver seat. And no, this wasn't some hi fi car, it was an esteem!! Yes, the same Esteem!!

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If he has indeed made it driverless, then he is india's answer to Einstein . Obviously this is some jugaad with some sort of hidden controls for the person on the passenger seat. But I was wondering, how could this mod happen with RTOs permission. Do they really allow this sort of a mod from an individual as this concerns the safety of others road users as well ?
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Spotted the driverless esteem in Kormangala today. There was this guy in passenger's seat. He said the car is running based on inputs from sensors. Still wondering how that is possible for Indian conditions. The car was being driven in a perfectly normal manner - lane changing, braking- except it was a bit too slow.
One thing left me confused though. The car stopped when the signal turned red. Now how can the sensors know signal has turned red? Looks like there is some catch here.
As pointed by few above, it does look he's controlling it from passengers seat.

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Spotted the driverless esteem in Kormangala today. Looks like there is some catch here.
I think that the 'catch' has been caught a few posts earlier. The underlying syndrome 'At least give me some attention' has been the major reason!

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