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Old 17th July 2014, 22:55   #16
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Riding with them strangers apart, there was this guy who straight away bumped into me in a traffic signal while I was waiting on a red.
He came to me walking around from somewhere.
I rolled down the window to give him my ear.
He saw my office's parking sticker and asked me if I worked there, and told me that he was an administrator over there and asked me if I could give him a ride.
I simply shunned him away and drove on the green.
Not sure what this guy was upto!
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Then, due to the high crime rate and poor law & order situation, I'd be wary of sharing a ride with someone I don't know.

On the other hand, car pooling with your friends, family & neighbours is
Surely, some well judged checks and balances can help give it a chance.
One measure can be to have a proper ID verification process as a prerequisite for registering on this platform as a user/service provider. Aadhaar can't be all that far away.
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Old 17th July 2014, 23:31   #18
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I wouldn't suggest this service to anyone especially to women (even if you carry a pepper spray in your bag). In India, I've heard horror stories even with friends of two different companies carpooling to work in major cities, the only stranger being the driver. While it is a good concept that can save both the environment and kill a bit of boredom there are just too many security loop holes. No offense but even the policeman is very likely to say 'Why did you travel with a stranger?'

Gone are the days when everyone in the same town or locality knew every other person to the very last detail. People hardly know even their own neighbors.

In case someone wants to try this inspite of the several risks please take all necessary security precautions like traveling during the day as much as possible, notify friends/family where you are and when you will reach destination, be confident, and do NOT reveal personal details even if you feel a little suspicious. Try GPS assisted safety apps. Beware of DUI and rash driving etc.

On the flip side, I wouldn't mind riding in a supercar with a known BHPian. In that case it won't be BlaBlaCar anymore - would it
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Honestly, I would not be comfortable using the services of an Online Carpool site where I would be traveling with strangers in India. Just not worth the risk. In Europe or urban US, perhaps yes.

Having said that, I am not averse to the concept of carpooling though. I have been doing it for more than a year now and it works well. In my case, the carpoolers are from my company. Our company does provide a platform for potential carpoolers to connect. So it works out very well. Yes, there are the occasional late comers, but you have to accept that we Indians seldom make it on time.

Another interesting carpooling concept, perhaps more intersting than BlaBlaCars are websites catering specifically to corporates. I do not remember the name of the carpool website, but there were a couple that sprung up catering to needs of carpoolers in Hinjewadi, Pune. We have a lot of IT companies here and the USP of those websites was that you had to activate your account with your official corporate email ID. That way, there were addressing the safety aspect by not having to travel with a complete stranger. Good concept, not sure if it took off or not...
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I work in Hinjewadi only and I know there was some common website registering for carpooling and we used corporate email id to register. But that never took off. My company also provides platform for carpooling but I don't think lot of people are using it. The traffic from phase 2 to hinjewadi Chowk is still very very bad. Also many car owners themselves don't want to do carpooling. I cringe everytime while traveling back when I see people driving all alone in car and all other 3/4 seats are empty. Some guys even bring SUVs.


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Hehe, for me even more than the safety aspect, it is the time aspect. I will rip the person apart if they come late. Call me a time nazi. Friends have and keep getting chewed up for coming late!

But as for my views on car-pooling - would be great to! But the safety aspect here in India is just too bad. And a cop would surely just wash his hands off with the question -"why did you travel with a stranger?"!!
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Slightly off topic but what is story behind the name of this venture: blablacar!

Does it mean anything in french? Sounds really amateurish otherwise.
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In a place like Mumbai, generally people travel by car to office only if none of the public mode of transportation available, suits them.

Further, many people travel by car daily as they need to travel within the city thought the day for meetings and stuff.

Plus, as discussed above, the biggest concern would be that, would anyone feel safe in our country to travel with a stranger?

So, at the moment I don't see any positives with this service. But, we need to wait and watch, as in our country at times you have to expect the unexpected.
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Car-sharing is not exactly an unknown concept. Companies like mine which have relatively large non-vehicle-owning employees have witnessed car-sharing for years, initially through the common (Outlook) Bulletin Board and later through specialized portals developed for the purpose. Personally I am very uncomfortable sharing my private space with a stranger. You can never tell over the phone or email how their hygiene will be or if they will be good travelling companions. But at least when they are from your own company, there is some amount of trust established beforehand. How do I trust some random stranger on the internet?

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Slightly off topic but what is story behind the name of this venture: blablacar!

Does it mean anything in french? Sounds really amateurish otherwise.
Here's the reason!
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You may wonder why we are called BlaBlaCar, it's a funny name, right? And there's a funny story behind it too! When every member joins they tell the community a number of things about themselves on their online profile. It's important because when members choose to share a journey together they like to know a bit about each other first. And so, one of the interesting things that every member declares about themselves is how chatty they are in the car.
I would definitely be a BLA (not very chatty)
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My first thought on reading this was, "They must be dreaming. They can't be serious about this thing working in India, can they?"

It turns out they do seem to be serious indeed. What do I think of it?

Well! In the future, a good question for any management quiz event would be this:



Which French brand/company was the quickest to completely exit India, after having started their operations here?

A) Peugeot
B) Carrefour
C) BlaBlaCar





If I were to offer unsolicited advice to BlaBlaCar, it would be on the lines of, "Please don't invest too much money in your Indian operations right at the beginning. It wouldn't be too long before you leave with an emphatic Adieu! (and not even a half-hearted Au revoir!)"

Continuing with my temporary penchant for offering unsolicited advice, I would tell members of the gentler/kinder/fairer sex, "Please stay the hell away from this thing. Or anything like it, for that matter. Don't get fooled by the other person(s) being women/girls, a lone woman/girl, a woman with a kid, a family with a kid/infant, a grand-fatherly gentleman accompanied by a kid etc. It is simply not worth the risk. Don't become yet another statistic added to the long, long list of victims of utterly vile, vicious, vampirish and unspeakable crimes against women in this country".

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Secondly, Indian Motor vehicle law does not permit sharing with strangers. If one is supposed to ferry unknown passengers, the vehicle must be registered as a tourist carriage yellow board. White board is meant for personal familiy/colleagues use.
You sure about this? Bangalore Traffic Police seems to encourage carpooling: http://btis.in/carpool
I was under the impression that taking on passengers for hire/reward meant driving around with a white board with the sole purpose of offering to ferry people in exchange for cash, like a bus.

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The owner/driver is responsible for all occupants and their baggage. If one stranger carries a bomb or some contraband in my car, The owner will be harrased and jailed. The contraband carrier will be released on bail using some contacts.
That's the reason I don't pick up hitch hikers, except school kids in uniform in village areas, and that too only during morning/afternoon. The associated risk is just not worth it; you cannot check their baggage thoroughly and make sure there is no contraband.

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I dont promote this service at all and will not use it too. I care for the environment but i care for my life, my familiy and my money much more. Also - I value my time and would like to depart whenever I want. This is the only reason i prefer to drive my own car anywhere rather than use the Bus/Train.
Speaking of reducing carbon footprint, a car with a single occupant will produce lesser CO2 than if it were fully loaded. If you wanted to reduce it further, you would have used public transport, but you chose/needed the convenience/privacy of a car.

In India at least, public transport is a far safer, environment friendly and economic option, when it comes to travelling alone/with strangers.

However, if the offer to carpool is from a well known or reputed person, then there is lesser risk and more profit.
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You sure about this? Bangalore Traffic Police seems to encourage carpooling: http://btis.in/carpool
I was under the impression that taking on passengers for hire/reward meant driving around with a white board with the sole purpose of offering to ferry people in exchange for cash, like a bus.

That's the reason I don't pick up hitch hikers, except school kids in uniform in village areas, and that too only during morning/afternoon. The associated risk is just not worth it; you cannot check their baggage thoroughly and make sure there is no contraband.

Speaking of reducing carbon footprint, a car with a single occupant will produce lesser CO2 than if it were fully loaded. If you wanted to reduce it further, you would have used public transport, but you chose/needed the convenience/privacy of a car.

In India at least, public transport is a far safer, environment friendly and economic option, when it comes to travelling alone/with strangers.

However, if the offer to carpool is from a well known or reputed person, then there is lesser risk and more profit.
thanks - i did not know BTP encourages car pooling. It is to be noted that BlaBlaCar provides revenue to the driver as the the co-riders have the pay the driver. I am not sure why the police would differentiate between a blablacar car-pooler and the cabbie who shouts the destination for filling up empty seat for Rs 20/-or a cabbie who ferries passengers from city 1 to city 2 . By Law, I am driving with people on board, for a fee and expecting reward in return. I guess this amounts to commercialism. I am against it but i am not sure if govt will allow That. IF entertainment tax can be leveied on F1 in India, anything is possible. World over, F1 is a "sport" and not entertainment. Secondly, the car-pooler would have used public transport if this option was not avaialble, which means it is a revenue loss to the government.

Ditto - In Fact I am more inhuman. I dont offer lift to any stragers be it kid, ladies or old person. I have not faced it but I might stop if I see a TBHP sticker on a car.

I love public transport, but the reason i dont use it is the unavilability of AC facility while commuting in Chennai. I work for a corporate concern and pay TDS. In Return i expect infrastructure in the form of AC buses. Tractor subsidy would not help me in anyway. Since we all pay 100% taxes without any evasion, govt should provide AC facility in buses.
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It is to be noted that BlaBlaCar provides revenue to the driver as the the co-riders have the pay the driver.
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Now - here is a more relevant question - This is a "Service" being provided by BlaBlaCar. So I am liable to pay service tax. If i charge a person say RS 50/- from point A to point B, i need to collect Rs 6.18/- extra as 12.36% service tax and pay it.
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If a cabbie is say dropping someone from point A to point B, He can put in an advertisement on BlaBlaCar that 4 seats are available from Point B to point A. This will help him make more money.
Contrary to the posts above, their website states that they fix a ceiling and the drivers cannot charge beyond that to ensure that the drivers do not make any profit. So, the whole purpose is to reduce the impact on the environment and to reduce the travel cost for the driver as well as the passengers, but it is in no way intended to be a profit making business for the drivers, hence there is no question of revenue/profit/tax etc...
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Contrary to the posts above, their website states that they fix a ceiling and the drivers cannot charge beyond that to ensure that the drivers do not make any profit. So, the whole purpose is to reduce the impact on the environment and to reduce the travel cost for the driver as well as the passengers, but it is in no way intended to be a profit making business for the drivers, hence there is no question of revenue/profit/tax etc...
Dear Voyager - Let me give an example. In one of my assignments, i was given a food reiumbursement of Rs 50/- for breakfast. In reality it costed close to 80/- for breakfast. This amount of Rs 50/- was taxable, eventhough i am making a loss of Rs 30/- on breakfast.

Similarly, a blablacar user charges whatever money, be it under loss or profit, he is liable to collect service tax on the money and also pay incometax on the income.

Say from Hosur to Madiwala a cabbie collects Rs 50 per person (agreed blablacar rate), he is liable to pay two taxes on that. 12.36% of RS 50 as service tax and also Rs 15/- as income tax (assume 30% slab).

So for a fare of Rs 50/- he would have to collect 56.36/- with service tax and from that pay Rs 21.36 as tax (income + service).

Government does not care whether someone makes a profit or loss on the income. Any "income" is taxable.
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So for a fare of Rs 50/- he would have to collect 56.36/- with service tax and from that pay Rs 21.36 as tax (income + service).
You are right about the taxation in India. Blablacar have quoted the taxation laws (probably from Europe) which considers the payments to the drivers for covering the car running costs, wear and tear as non taxable. They need to work something like this with our RTO/government.
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