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Old 11th August 2006, 12:04   #31
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Very sorry to hear about your incident, Gautam. I hope your uncle and you are alright now.
All politicains and political parties comprise of power-hungry goons, who are worse than the devil himself.
I remember an incident from the late eighties when my Grandfather and aunt were travelling from Mumbai to Nasik by train. They had reservations in the first class compartment. At some station on the way, a huge load of workers from a prominent political party got in (without reservations / tickets) and just forced all passengers, regardless of age and sex, to get up and took their seats.
What kind of behaviour is this?
The bad part is, a lot of the police force is hand-in-glove with these organisations and the rest of it is powerless to do anything. This nation is going to the dogs. Sad, but, true.
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Old 11th August 2006, 12:13   #32
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Keep a back up plan in your head when something like this happens.Under no situation should we stop a car if someone tries to force us to stop.Minister or Prime minister uske baap ka raasta nahi hai.We pay toll tax to use the road so we have every right to drive on it and not like N_C was breaking the rules.If that guy had a slower vehicle he should have been decent enough to remain in his underwear and let the faster car proceed.
I agree with eveyone here who says u should report this to the news channels.Hitting your uncle who was the age of his father was heights.Teach him a lesson bro and walk tall.
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Hey Shiva, all that would work in a perfect world. But then, in that same perfect world, politicians would actually work for the country and not their own personal interests.

Do you really think anything can come out of this matter. Lets see...NC, who to the Govt. and Police is a nobody, claims to be roughed up by a honourable politicians son with 2 escort vehicles. Who's word would Mr. Policeman-whose-job-is-on-the-line believe?

Baba I know we don't live in a perfect world. However, I think it's only fair to point out the constitutional recourse that we have as citizens.

I'm also pretty sure that nothing might come out of the exercise. However, to whatever degree, it will bring to attention that our honourable minister's son is a habitual offender, and in the future, if his criminal record keeps increasing, NC's case might be one of the straws that eventually breaks the camel's back.

Like I said, it all depends on how pissed off you are and how far you're willing to go.

Alternatively you can go to the Shiv Sena. They HATE this dude!
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NC, sorry to hear about the ordeal you and your uncle had to go through. It makes me sooper sick. I could have said more, but my anger would take my post beyond the rules of the forum.

The funny bit that I don't get is, everybody that I have interacted with from the so called vote banks of these power crazy ministers, namely people from an uneducated background and people edging on the poverty line, all understand the bit that once elected these morons do nothing for them or for their constituency in general, and are extremely cross with all ministers. So is the lure of a free bottle of alcohol enough to make them forget their past experiences and rebuild their faith in these moronic "samaj sevaks?"
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Old 11th August 2006, 12:28   #35
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Very sorry to hear about this n_c. As another poster said, it might have been possible to file assault charges, but at huge cost of time to you, and ought to have been done immediately. To retaliate at that point is foolish as these fellows have the entire establishment, including media on their side. It is really easy even for them to file a false case on you! He would produce 10 witnesses against your one. Does anybody think that the plethora of news channels has made any difference? It is really a sad state of affairs that after more than 50 years of independence, there is no real justice system for any Indian.

Keep your doors locked at all times I say!
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Old 11th August 2006, 13:08   #36
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NC, really sorry to hear about this! What can one say about these bloody goons, they are all over the place. You are absolutely correct about the power hungry bit. This is what our country is coming to unfortunately.

Take care and thank God the injuries were limited though broken spectacles and a bloodied nose for no fault of anyone is not something one would look forward to under any circumstances!!!
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Perhaps NC should have called the Endeavour's bluff. I would certainly have tried to do that -- I doubt that a big sluggish brute like the Endeavour can keep pace with a car in the ghat section.
You know what they'd have done? They'd have shunted him from the rear and then accused him of being a terrorist or god knows what else! Are you serious RKS? How far could he have outrun them & how efficient are the cops that you are saying you'd have called.

And do not underestimate these sluggish brutes on the ghat sections
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Highly condemnable incident. It's good that you stopped your car though - the alternative would've been more dangerous. This as^W gentleman seems to have a history of rash driving.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=394833

Hope his Endeavour gets caught in a landslide.
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Old 11th August 2006, 14:31   #39
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You know what they'd have done? They'd have shunted him from the rear and then accused him of being a terrorist or god knows what else! Are you serious RKS? How far could he have outrun them & how efficient are the cops that you are saying you'd have called.

And do not underestimate these sluggish brutes on the ghat sections
I doubt if they would be *that* desperate -- I don't think they would go to the extent of damaging their own vehicles and compromising their own job, which is to provide security. And it is true that an Endeavour cannot keep up with a small or medium-sized car in those ghats. In the downward-sloping 6-km stretch after the ghats to the exit toll gate, you can easily exceed 150 kmph -- my Santro does upto 155 here -- I don't see how an Endeavour can catch up within such a short distance, especially since it would have already fallen behind in the ghats. And once at the toll gate, they wouldn't dare to do anything blatantly illegal, with all those police and staff present.

I think this is one of those instances where a normally fast driving style can actually come to your rescue. And note that the VIP vehicles themselves are always at high speed for precisely this reason. And in general, my view is that it is very unsafe to stop under these circumstances without police present. Stopping should be absolutely the last option. These guys could so easily break your limbs and steal all your valuables.

The problem is to know in advance that these guys are crooks and intend to block you off. I agree that it would have been very difficult for NC to anticipate the events. In any case his aged uncles would probably have forced him to stop -- they would almost certainly have been terriified by a high-speed chase to the exit toll gate.
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" Later, speaking to reporters, Narayan Rane said that the vehicle (that hit the cop) was being driven by his driver and his son had reported the matter to police realising his responsibility."

That was taken from the link posted by ballkey.

They got hold of the poor driver, who in all probability was not even in the car at that time, to take the blame. These are people commoners like you an me really cannot mess with as its back to the wild west where money and power talks and law takes a hike.
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I doubt if they would be *that* desperate -- I don't think they would go to the extent of damaging their own vehicles and compromising their own job, which is to provide security. And it is true that an Endeavour cannot keep up with a small or medium-sized car in those ghats. In the downward-sloping 6-km stretch after the ghats to the exit toll gate, you can easily exceed 150 kmph -- my Santro does upto 155 here -- I don't see how an Endeavour can catch up within such a short distance, especially since it would have already fallen behind in the ghats. And once at the toll gate, they wouldn't dare to do anything blatantly illegal, with all those police and staff present.

I think this is one of those instances where a normally fast driving style can actually come to your rescue. And note that the VIP vehicles themselves are always at high speed for precisely this reason. And in general, my view is that it is very unsafe to stop under these circumstances without police present. Stopping should be absolutely the last option. These guys could so easily break your limbs and steal all your valuables.

The problem is to know in advance that these guys are crooks and intend to block you off. I agree that it would have been very difficult for NC to anticipate the events. In any case his aged uncles would probably have forced him to stop -- they would almost certainly have been terriified by a high-speed chase to the exit toll gate.
RKS, you have your point of view, I have mine....you are entitled to your own opinions as well. IMHO however, its easier said than done....of course, you are entitled to believe that your course of action would have worked & I can see you are confident about it.

I think what NC did was what I'd have done under the circumstances...these kind of people wouldn't give two hoots if their cars get damaged either because it doesn't hit their pocket, nor do they have any emotional attachments whatsoever.
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Hope someone sells him some fake dope.. like they did to the Mahajan kid.
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That was really sad. I understand how one will feel on such a bad incident. But this will heal on its own, taking its sweet time. Forget about it & carry on. That the best way to handle this.

Boom shiva has written down the right thing, but the individual has to decide whether he has the capacity to do it.

If not, stay away from it. Don't under estimate these guys, they will give you trouble through third parties and take the peace out of your life.

Day in and day out there job is this. So they would be happy taking the new assignment & execute in perfection. But thats not the case with us.

Pray for the shiv sena group burning this idiot alive
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RKS, you have your point of view, I have mine....you are entitled to your own opinions as well. IMHO however, its easier said than done....of course, you are entitled to believe that your course of action would have worked & I can see you are confident about it.
I am speaking from actual experience here -- I have done that stretch dozens of times at high speeds. To give you a perfect test case:

I passed a Honda Accord *desperate* to go fast in the same ghat stretch. My Santro simply darted past heavy vehicles at high speeds while he was stranded. I did full clip in the 6 km stretch after the ghats to the exit toll gate, with speeds of up to 155 kmph -- and to my utter amazement, just when I thought that the Honda Accord was way behind, I saw his headlights rapidly closing in on me exactly as I was reaching the toll gate!! He must have done maniacal speeds after the ghats. So compared to an Accord, I can safely say that the Endeavour has a much smaller chance in that stretch. Of course there is a certain amount of luck involved - a lot depends on how much of a lead you are able to establish in the ghats. But these days the traffic conditions in the Expressway are such that an Endeavour will not be able to manage very high speeds in the ghats.
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RKS, I'm not doubting your ability to "clip" fast on the ghats...what I'm saying is that the guys NC encountered were not the sane & predictable type; they could have tailgated him before he managed to put a fair bit of distance between himself and the Endeavour. Also, in situations like this, very often, you make a mistake and may end up (God forbid) at the bottom of the ghats simply because you throw caution to the winds in your hurry to "escape"
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