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Old 27th May 2015, 15:32   #31
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Hopefully in the near future, someone will come out with an app that shows the location of ambulances around the vicinity. Somewhat like the grabtaxi app.

The samaritans at the accident site will then be able to make a better decision on whether to wait for the ambulance or make alternative arrangements to move the injured to hospital.
This sounds like a good idea. However the (average) ambulance might not have the kind of financial incentive to incorporate the equipment.

The 102,108 services though - can (and should) aggregate and provide this data to the caller. They should be able to give an exact 'turn around time' and reasonable advice since they should have localized knowledge of the area.

Even in the case of this incident, we did call 102 - the respondent told us they had an ambulance at x location, but recommended then "if you are on your way continue to the hospital".



One thing that I have learnt in this episode and as phamilyman has also pointed out "don't do something because SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND you are CLUELESS OR FORCED BY OTHERS"(sic). As I recollect most of the guys who originally asked me to help, disappeared as soon as I asked for someone to step in to support the patient. It gets very confusing at that point, and you tend to go with what others are saying. Hopefully, with all that I now know, the next time, I will be able to think more clearly.



On a different note, I did some more research on this entire thread, and I can now understand why a lot of people are hesitant. People have encountered all sorts of issues - a couple where the person you intended to help himself accuses you hoping to make a quick buck. I could also locate older threads where fellow bhpians have extended help and got into trouble - others who were lucky and have not.

As I have now been advised my many, extending help should be a 'well thought out' action - taken only after the primary option (ambulance) is ruled out. The only catch is that you need to work thru this decision in maybe just a minute, with mounting pressure from those gathered at the scene.
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As a Shippies, we are trained to handle most medical emergencies onboard a ship. This can include minor to major accidents and even death.
I myself have handled three fatal situations during my sailing career.

This one book has been our ultimate guide in handling most medical situations onboard the ships and IMO should be equally helpful on land.

The GUIDE is written in such a way that you can jump to requisite page and pinpoint the symptoms and its medication within 1 minute.

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Hope members finds it useful.

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Learning how to provide first aid helps. I have attended a two day workshop few years back, but in absence of retraining i am not sure if i will be able to provide the correct trauma care. However, i know some very obvious things that one should not do.

Kudos to XD2 for helping out. The guilt of not doing anything stays with you.. I remember witnessing a car accident in Mumbai. We broke the window and reached the co-driver. He was bleeding profusely and collapsed on the road when we took him out, but we laid him down in recovery position ensuring his airways dont get blocked due to bleeding. Unfortunately, it started raining and this person was out in the open in rain, so we did not pull the driver out as well. He was unconscious at the wheel with driver side door jammed against the side wall, so pulling him from passenger side was risky. Roads were empty and we had called the ambulance and police who were stationed nearby, so there was no risk of delay. Since there were a lot of folks who were helping, i decided to leave and not wait for the ambulance to arrive. Next day i read in the paper that the driver had died. I still think i could have given him basic first aid and feel extremely bad for leaving. While the people there were very helpful, they did not know first aid, i did. Perhaps the driver had stopped breathing and i could have given him a CPR. Made a wrong decision and i still feel responsible and guilty for not helping him.
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This is what I observed in another country - Singapore. I had just crossed a road when I heard a loud honk. Turned around to see a car striking a man in his 50s, head-on. The man flew about 10 feet and landed on the road. Was bleeding from his head.

Someone called emergency services. This was an urban area, so someone managed to get a doctor. The doctor was likely a general practitoner and not a specialist. The doctor observed him and used some cotton bandages to stem bleeding, but did not move him.

Within 10 mins, there was a emergency services person who had arrived on a motorbike. He seemed trained in trauma handling, and had equipment on his bike including boards to stabilize the man's body and neck. He checked the man and stabilized him on the boards, to reduce body movement. He had other medical equipment and first aid kits with him. The motorbike was from the Singapore Civil Defense Force, which is the equivalent of the Fire Brigade.

After a few minutes, the ambulance arrived and took the man to hospital.

Few learning points from what I could see -
1. While the GP reached the spot, she did not move the victim till the trauma specialist arrived on the bike.
2. Use of bike to reach victim quickly especially in urban areas.
3. Service under emergency services or fire brigade equivalent.
4. Bike equipped to manage first contact with victim with the personnel trained to handle trauma.

Speed and trained personnel appear critical. Timely and proper handling increase chances of survival.

The job of bringing victims to hospital should not be left to Samaritans or to private ambulances.

What is different in india?
1. Resources? Are there sufficient emergency service resources - people and equipment to deal with the number of accidents?
2. Accountability - Who should bring the victim to hospital? Is it 108 or are we to make our own arrangements? If the answer is - ambulance will take an hour, then people (relatives or Samaritans) will be tempted to take matters into own hands to bring the victim to hospital.


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Related news article today,

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In a bid to encourage people to help accident victims, the Centre has issued a notification which will spare good samaritans from attending court and will also protect them from harassment by the police.

The Union Ministry of Road Transport and Highways notification also says if a doctor refuses to treat an accident victim, it will be treated as professional misconduct which will lead to cancellation of the licence.

The guidelines were issued in the light of a Supreme Court order, on a petition by Delhi-based NGO Save Life Foundation, to protect bystanders or good samaritans from harassment by the police.

At present, bystanders often do not call the police or rush victims to a hospital fearing frequent questioning and court proceedings.

According to the notification, a good samaritan, including an eyewitness, who takes an injured person to the nearest hospital should be allowed to leave immediately and no questions should be asked. The good samaritan need not wait for the police and will not be made part of the medico-legal case. - See more at: http://m.deccanherald.com/content/48....gV154USN.dpuf
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While reading this post, I had to summon up a lot of courage as I am a little weak at heart for reading about such incidents in detail or looking at pictures of blood etc. But I could feel the strength XD2 you would have had at the moment of truth. It is sad that the accident had happened and onlookers were only looking and not many helping hands were there, but kudos to your courage and the other samaritan who acted and saved this guy.

I have been donating blood regularly (around 30 times now) and have seen pain of the relatives of the patients. A little help to them is of a great value to them. And in such a situation, I am sure they would be still thanking you. Congratulations to keep the hope alive. With people like you around, we all get the courage to act in the moment of truth and attend to the urgency.

I am just promising that any such incident if God forbid I am around, I would not hold back anymore to save a a life or do whatever possible.

Once again thanks for this courage!!

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I would like to reiterate though, the hero of this story was this one guy (referred to in my earlier narrative as the 'good Samaritan') who drove everyone to result - including taking the decision of transporting the guy in an open Jeep. It was a sight to see as this guy thru the 10-minute grueling drive, kept reinforcing the victim with the thought that he would be fine. I recall at one point he says to this guy "bhagwan pe bharosa rakh" {keep your faith in God}. It is individuals like him that I would hope are around if I were ever to meet with an accident.

Legal issues pose a separate angle - but when I am not at fault, I would put my faith in the officer investigating and hope he gets it. I'd hope to stick with this belief until I encounter the first incident where proven otherwise.
I would agree that if you have acted in the right intention, the officers investigating will understand the intentions. After all they are humans too. We all have been held back by the fear of the unknown , mostly fueled by stories in news and movies. But remember there must be innumerable accidents happening and innumerable people helping out. Not all incidents are reported, meaning that almost all of them the officers investigating would find out the truth immediately.
Only scary thing is when the person you are helping has been run over a politician who wants to get rid of the offence, and sees you as a good Samaritan (even for himself)..

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